Article
Stylus Magazine’s 50 Greatest Rock Drummers

By: Stylus Staff
2007-07-30



Posted 07/30/2007 - 05:14:35 AM by smezzer:
 Are you fucking kidding me? Billy Cobham and Zigaboo Modeliste don't even break the top 40? I declare this list null and void
 
Posted 07/30/2007 - 05:16:03 AM by cinatyte:
 I'll be a bit more complimentary, as I feel this list is off to a great start and I'm very curious to see where it winds up in the end.
 
Posted 07/30/2007 - 05:40:33 AM by nixonian:
 smezzer, the title of the list is 50 Greatest Rock Drummers ('Rock' being the key word, i'd imagine), not 50 Greatest Drummers. so fair enough to Stylus for Billy Cobham and Ziggy Modeliste not being in the top 40. and for the record, if i remember right, the drummer for an aussie band called Spiderbait used to write the songs, drum and sing 'em. i think his name was Kram. i dont remember them being any good tho.
 
Posted 07/30/2007 - 06:13:25 AM by smezzer:
 possibly, but it depends on what your definition of a 'rock drummer' is. I get the feeling in this context it means 'not straight jazz'. And either way, Billy Cobham rocks harder than anyone in the list so far, and probably most of the rest as well
 
Posted 07/30/2007 - 07:54:52 AM by Duell-:
 Kram, yeah, aka Mark Maher. A good example, though no patch on Grant Hart, who would've cracked my top 10. Good to see Gary Young made it!
 
Posted 07/30/2007 - 09:19:36 AM by boilingboy:
 Boris Williams is certainly an amazing drummer. But Lol Tolhurst? He was terrible by all acounts, and his "economical" drumming was often a drum machine. Robert kept him around for their friendship.
 
Posted 07/30/2007 - 10:37:31 AM by mirakle:
 I've always wondered what a less Rock Canon worshipping magazine would make of this list, mainly because there's less of a chance of one of those drum god arguments in which John Bonham and Neil Peart fans face off. Not that they're not good drummers, it's just a really annoying argument.
 
Posted 07/30/2007 - 10:44:23 AM by chendizzle:
 How come Gary Young doesn't get a picture? That's Steve West in the Pavement group shot.
 
Posted 07/30/2007 - 01:36:39 PM by aBearAware:
 Re: Grant Hart: "Being able to match the intensity of your drumming to the intensity of your singing to the intensity of your own WORDS THAT YOU WROTE!? How many drummers can say they do that? I’ll bet you can count ‘em with one finger." If you were ever fortunate to see Andy Sturmer perform in Jellyfish, you'd know you're gonna need at least one other finger to count on.
 
Posted 07/30/2007 - 02:15:31 PM by AKMoose:
 Well this should be fun. My pick for fantastic drummer that won't be on the list: Joe Easley of the Dismemberment Plan.
 
Posted 07/30/2007 - 02:37:11 PM by AKMoose:
 Also, I suggest more clear indication of what bands these drummers played with for clarity. There are already some I didn't know by name, and if you are trying to highlight them withholding information makes little sense.
 
Posted 07/30/2007 - 03:06:42 PM by baconfat:
 Well, Hal Blaine and Billy Cobham weren't really members of any particular band, per se, but for everyone else listed so far the name of the band for which the drummer played has been fairly plainly listed in the description.
 
Posted 07/30/2007 - 06:01:52 PM by theresafield:
 gary young!!! plantman knows what the plantman knows and the plantman knows what the plantman knows what the plantman knows where the plantman grows PLANT MAAAAAAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Posted 07/30/2007 - 08:09:13 PM by garlad1:
 Woo-hoo, Rat Scabies!!! Hal Blaine could be forgiven if he hadn't went and invented that whole 'Wrecking Crew' myth. Yep, it's a story he made up in his book. Nice guy though.
 
Posted 07/30/2007 - 10:28:59 PM by coldacre:
 im assuming that this list is in no order in particular. it would thus save any of the aforementioned neil peart vs. john bonham rubbish - and, instead, celebrate and bring attention to fifty great drummers. that being said, are we going to get a shout out for wil calhoun whose work on Living Colour's Time's Up is inc... enceden... incendiary!?
 
Posted 07/31/2007 - 07:12:05 AM by terrorist:
 where the fuck are Jason Pat Fulghy & Orst Ericle? Hugh Bornes, Frank Cranig, PE McPatton, Rosemary Taggeta. Sheez, I'd line up & shoot the whole Stylus staff for missing Vern Franidez and Cooly Chapman. Shit no Dog E Kane? no Kerry Prendergast? what a waste of time. you may as well have just compiled a list "bands we like that have drummers in them" what a tiny little miniscule section of the record shop you've drawn these from. for gods sake they've missed on K.P Shanice too. shitheads.
 
Posted 07/31/2007 - 08:02:33 AM by NickSouthall:
 A: 30 still to go.
B: Shut up.
 
Posted 07/31/2007 - 09:56:54 AM by tcote76:
 I think it's a shame that Hal Blaine could do no better than the 40s, when you KNOW they are going to slip Jim Keltner somewhere in the Top 30. Also, this list is void if Levon Helm is not at the top of it. My vote for most underrated drummer? Danny Goffey of Supergrass - he's mellowed a bit in recent, but if anyone's ever come close to Keith Moon's (Top 3 or better, yes?) organized chaos, it's Goffey.
 
Posted 07/31/2007 - 11:25:57 AM by AKMoose:
 Jeremiah Green?!? I am pleased, but now concerned about Easley's fate. I suppose more are familiar with Mouse, though.
 
Posted 07/31/2007 - 11:49:33 AM by mulatschag:
 I agree with terrorist. Sure, there's 30 more to come, but even that's not enough to make up for all the people you've missed. No Dick Hubbard? No John Banks? Mark Blumsky? Fran Wilde? Vicki Buck? I mean, Stylus should be shut down immediately for no already having done a week-long tribute to Garry Moore or Hamish Hay.
 
Posted 07/31/2007 - 01:12:01 PM by mulatschag:
 Also: Singer/songwriting drummers aren't that rare or impressive. Phil Collins. Don Henley. My god...the drummer from fucking NIGHT RANGER. I think the point in the article was that Grant Hart did all three with what the reviewer considers unmatched intensity. Not just that he did all three.
 
Posted 07/31/2007 - 01:14:43 PM by mulatschag:
 ...although the guy in Night Ranger--if I recall the video correctly--did seem pretty intense about motorin'.
 
Posted 07/31/2007 - 01:36:38 PM by The_Big_Crunch:
 This is sort’ve ridiculous. First off, we get yet another list with a couple of name-checked “jazz-rock” drummers inhabiting the lower regions of the rankings. Look, do us a favor, just stick with straight-up rock and cut the “must include a jazz fusion guy for cred” baloney. Oh, and some of the drummers you have on here? Gary Young?!?!? Are you kidding me? Really...your explanation for including him was pure idiocy. Any half-twit with a partially developed sense of rhythm could have done what he did. Quit mistaking the guy’s mystique (and the strength of the band's early stuff) with a vast over-estimation of Young’s drumming. Lol Tolhurst?!?! My God...another case of some music “scribe” confusing lack of skill with some sort of minimalist brilliance. I love those early Cure albums, but it’s sheer stupidity to put Tolhurst on a list of the 50 greatest rock drummers. Furthermore, putting him at a split with Williams basically reveals this to be a way to get THE CURE on the list. Oh, and what kind of idiocy is it to say that Jim Eno would have made a great substitute for Charlie Watts? Seriously, where did you come up with that crap? The Stones were rooted in blues, soul, and R&B; and while Watts understood simplicity in the band he also understood the importance of being able to play loosely and with a soulful swing that befitted the music. Yeah, Eno is a good drummer and part of a fantastic band, but the styles really don’t have much else in common. Eno is fairly rigid, plays behinds the beat on a lot of the more uptempo/melodic tunes, and really displays none of the stylistic similarities (especially the jazz-y/R&B-ish; swing of Watts) to make one consider for a second that he has any right to be compared to Charlie. Again, such an inane blurb. And speaking of inane blurbs...did you really say that Jim Densmore was the only guy in the Doors “that could really Play”? Look, say what you want about the Doors, but that’s just stupidity. Ray and Robbie were fantastic in their own right and in terms of musical impact on that band (and technical skill) Manzarek really was both a more skilled and groundbreaking member of the band than Densmore. That being said, I’m sure we both can agree that the less said about that wailing clown Morrison, the better. Funny, I would also put in Reni, somewhere between 40-50, but not for the reasons you stated. I have a few of those early shows on tape and CD as well, and I’ve found that Reni is often as sloppy as everyone else in the band. Maybe the shows were great if you were there, but the bootlegs I have of some of those late ‘80s/early ‘90s shows reveal the Stone Roses to be a somewhat messy live act who’s songs were much better on the albums than played live. For what it’s worth, my pick for “top ten drummer who probably won’t make the list” is John Fischman of the band Phish. A phenomenal drummer who can play any style and truly developed a sound of his own. Say what you want about the band, their music and their fans, but Fiscman's drumming (often sounding more like two drummers due to his astonishing displays of poly-rhythmic chops) was at the heart of a band who can be counted among the most influential rock acts of the last 25 years. Oh yeah, and like a lot of drummers, he also frequently sang and drummed, which as several folks have mentioned is far less of an impressive or unique skill than you make it out to be in your blurb for Grant Hart (who, BTW, I actually would have included in a Top 50 list as well). A guy who might make it, and truly deserves to be on the list, is Max Weinberg of the E Street Band. One listen to the three-CD live box-set from the ‘80s reveals Weinberg to be one hell of powerful drummer and one of the key components to making the band sound so tailor-made to deliver those songs in arena sized venues.
 
Posted 07/31/2007 - 02:52:50 PM by raskolnikov:
 Ouch. At least half the people in the 30-50 range are pretty ordinary players. Perhaps Stylus should've called the piece "50 Drummers We've Actually Noticed Among Various Bands We Like"....
 
Posted 07/31/2007 - 06:10:00 PM by ghillz:
 People I'd like to see on the list, bearing in mind I have no inside knowledge of what makes a good drummer: Lindy Morrison, Alan Myers, David Narcizo, David Lovering, The Guy Out of The Wedding Present Who Played On Seamonsters.
 
Posted 07/31/2007 - 06:12:08 PM by watchfulpete:
 The Tolhurst inclusion is a straight-up joke. There is no way he seriously got enough votes to qualify, this must be a 'ooh put my favourite band in there' type list. Same with Reni. I love the pleasant NickSouthall comment too. Way to go in appreciating your audience and stimulating conversation.
 
Posted 07/31/2007 - 11:03:57 PM by Duell-:
 I imagine it's hard to appreciate the particular audience members that dismiss the writers as 'shitheads' when the list is 30% done. And what conversation are they supposed to be stimulating? This is a comment post, not a give-and-take discussion. Most of us seem to be here to shriek our own opinions and declare the rest 'null and void'. What do you expect if not a soapbox?
 
Posted 07/31/2007 - 11:32:23 PM by PlatypusQuest:
 Greg Saunier better be in this list.......... OR ELSE!!!
 
Posted 08/01/2007 - 01:24:02 AM by jed666:
 would it be a stretch to hope for Tony Williams? I mean, if In a Silent Way isn't jazz, then it is rock, right?
 
Posted 08/01/2007 - 01:40:38 AM by eraserhead:
 i am crossing my fingers for Todd Trainer and Brian Chippendale.
 
Posted 08/01/2007 - 01:45:38 AM by jed666:
 I actually meant to say that In a Silent Way could be considered as rock, but fuck it, I'm really hoping for Yoshimi P-Wei, Earl Hudson, Robo and Michael Giles. I know that Jaki Liebezeit will be on there, and it wouldn't also hurt to add ATR and E-DA too. shiiiiiiiiyat
 
Posted 08/01/2007 - 01:47:14 AM by jed666:
 oh yeah John McEntire too! but I've already said too much.
 
Posted 08/01/2007 - 08:25:12 AM by skobak:
 where's Adris Hoyos?
 
Posted 08/01/2007 - 10:20:57 AM by ZeroBeat:
 Good list. Love the Damon Che namecheck (although he should certanly be highter than a mere 49) I'm expecting Rob Jones (65daysofstatic) and Matt Tong (Bloc Party) to show up somewhere. Heres hoping
 
Posted 08/01/2007 - 10:36:55 AM by nhennies:
 This is the dumbest list I have ever seen.
 
Posted 08/01/2007 - 10:50:08 AM by cinatyte:
 Hey Stylus. I just wanted to show you a little support, as I've enjoyed this list immensely thus far.
 
Posted 08/01/2007 - 12:26:28 PM by keag76:
 here's hoping mitch mitchell will be in the top ten. obviously overshadowed by hendirx, he was a great musician in his own right.
 
Posted 08/01/2007 - 12:30:46 PM by papercuts:
 Uh-oh. You did it now, Stylus Magazine. You went and made Neil Peart #22. ONLY NUMBER 22!!!!!! ONLY---*GASP!!----NUMBER---*HYPERVENTALATE*--22!!!!!!
My personal WTF moment so far is that there isn't enough love for poor, poor underrated Ringo. The dude who helped made "Tomorrow Never Knows" what it is. And helped pave the way for modern music. Shame!
With that said, I hope John Bonham doesn't make an appearance on this list.
 
Posted 08/01/2007 - 01:18:11 PM by mulatschag:
 I didn't think I was going to have to point this out, but: the first post is the only one wanted to declare the list null and void. Terrorist's post (the one with the "shitheads" comment) is making FUN of that kind of post . Nobody noticed that you've heard of NONE of those people? Except for Kerry Prendergast, the mayor of Wellington, NZ. It's a PARODY.
 
Posted 08/01/2007 - 01:52:00 PM by MonsterKids:
 I just hope that my Internet works for the next couple of days so I can see where Dave Lombardo ends up.
 
Posted 08/01/2007 - 02:05:00 PM by grandbanks:
 You didn't have to point it out, mulatschag. Now no one is going to go try to find out who the hell Dog E. Kane drummed for, though they should, because he slays! Best instructional video I ever bought. He plays next to the pocket and on fast numbers laps the beat. Remind me never to watch a movie with you.
 
Posted 08/01/2007 - 02:14:48 PM by Nodima:
 I'm fine with the list because I never notice stuff like a drummer drumming off beat, so it realy just matters to me if I notice what the drummer is doing more than anything. What bothers me most, though, is how freaking LOW Damon Che is. Dude's top-notch. It also gives me a lot of worry, like someone else said, that Joe Easley of The Dismemberment Plan might be getting left out even though he's amazing. Same with Ron Albertson, formerly of Liars on their first album. Wicked crazy and he interlocks his rhythms with Pat Noecker's bass licks so well.
 
Posted 08/01/2007 - 02:21:25 PM by mulatschag:
 Hey, at least one person complained about people calling the writers "shitheads," which means at least one person took terrorist seriously. You're dead on about the Dog E. Kane instructional video, though. And Rosemary Taggeta is WAY hotter than Meg White.
 
Posted 08/01/2007 - 03:46:33 PM by mirakle:
 While Stylus writers have their individual and idiosyncratic favorites, Dismemberment Plan is one of the ones they seem to agree on, so I'm hoping that's a sign they'll make it on the list. Oh, and as percussionist did Chamberlain play chimes on Disarm? If he did I do not begrudge him his top-half spot at all. Although I'm still not buying Zeitgeist.
 
Posted 08/01/2007 - 05:04:59 PM by cwperry:
 If you're "freaked out" about how "low" your favorite(s) ranked, remember they made the top 50 and there are 50,000 more who didn't. Have some perspective, people.
 
Posted 08/01/2007 - 10:58:08 PM by garlad1:
 Bonham, Baker, and Moon are like the holy trinity of rock drumming. There's a horse racing term for betting on the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place winners, which I forget. I'm guessing that's the order right up there.
 
Posted 08/02/2007 - 08:25:57 AM by Brooon:
 well Baker's already fallen with a furlong to go
 
Posted 08/02/2007 - 09:12:41 AM by meatbreak:
 Good call on Klaus Dinger, though I'd have him top 10 for sure. So Grohl is going to be top 5 is he? So if we're having Metal drummers in a Rock top 50 I vote Frost for number 1. Satyricon, 1349, Keep Of Kalessin, Gorgoroth - The man is in demand for good reason. When he's slow he plays the most heady spacious grooves going, and when he's fast? Shit, your bit about Lombardo and other metal drummers slaving away to click tracks gets blown away. Can I see him in your list though? No. I think the metallers here are included for the same token gesture reasons as the jazzers (of which I know little, so I will say no more). Nor, sadly, do I expect to see Darkthrone's Fenriz (he too understands so much more than how to blast) Electric Wizard/Iron Monkey/Crippled Black Phoenix's Justin Greaves (need I say more?) or Sleep/Om's Chris Hakius. That Burzum drummer's pretty damn serpentine too. No wait. That was a machine.
 
Posted 08/02/2007 - 09:30:23 AM by DanWeiss:
 Shows how much AKMoose knows.
 
Posted 08/02/2007 - 10:20:39 AM by averyisland:
 christopher weingarten from parts & labor is a force of nature. if anyone 'recent' deserves to be on an 'all-time' list, it's this cat.
 
Posted 08/02/2007 - 10:34:13 AM by raskolnikov:
 That guy from Burzum is a real killer....
 
Posted 08/02/2007 - 10:39:35 AM by meatbreak:
 Ha.
 
Posted 08/02/2007 - 11:45:39 AM by coldacre:
 bill berry. chris frantz. come on guys. you might like the way that they play... but "great"? i think im starting agree with earlier postings: this does sound a whole lot like picking drummers from your favourite bands in your album collection.
 
Posted 08/02/2007 - 12:23:51 PM by RevPsychosatan:
 Well, if Jaki Liebezeit makes it in, I'll be happy.
 
Posted 08/02/2007 - 12:45:20 PM by AKMoose:
 DanWeiss, am I to understand you just registered today and posted your first comment to tease my Easley-love? I am honored. And since Easley made it on the list (and higher than I anticipated,) I am satisfied.
 
Posted 08/02/2007 - 12:55:59 PM by cvbcvb:
 Maybe, just maybe, George Hurley will make it in...?
 
Posted 08/02/2007 - 01:35:43 PM by cwperry:
 Check out Dave Lombardo in Matthew Barney's Cremaster 2--wild, wild, wild.
 
Posted 08/02/2007 - 02:02:45 PM by eraserhead:
 yeah i agree with RevPsychosatan. i dont see how Jaki Liebezeit cannot be in the top 10.
 
Posted 08/02/2007 - 02:27:03 PM by krosshoff:
 pete thomas?
 
Posted 08/02/2007 - 03:39:21 PM by stigurh:
 I'm guessing we'll be seeing Jaki Liebezeit, Jim Sclavunos and Charlie Watts in the top ten. And of course the obvious: Moon and Bonham. I would love for Tim Alexander and ?uestlove to make it.
 
Posted 08/02/2007 - 04:17:21 PM by lunaharpua:
 As far as Talking Heads goes, what's so amazing about drumming in "unflappable 4/4 with the flair of white rice"? The band was only became rhymically brilliant when the scope of their funk required bringing Steve Scales on board to add complexity to Chris Frantz's predictable, pedestrian drumming.
 
Posted 08/02/2007 - 05:55:32 PM by mtwill:
 stephen morris, britt walford, lee harris and john stanier all in the top 10? morris i'm sure is coming (if not this list is a joke), but i hope you guys don't drop the ball on the other three...
 
Posted 08/02/2007 - 07:03:59 PM by raskolnikov:
 How about some love for Chris Corsano?
 
Posted 08/02/2007 - 10:04:04 PM by barbarian:
 I've read Stylus Greatest lists before and they always blow. I don't even need to read this one to tell how much it sucks. The only reason to read this webpage is to check up on what is being released. Also, the movie reviews tend to be funny sometimes. If Stylus new what was good for them, they would shorten up their music reviews to a blurb.
 
Posted 08/02/2007 - 10:17:41 PM by mulatschag:
 Last chance to predict and wonder. --Will Stylus pull a personal-computer-as-Time-magazine's-man-of-the-year and put the 808, or maybe just "the drum machine" in the top 10? Arguing that it has changed the sound of modern rock music more than any single drummer has? --no one has cried out for Stewart Copeland. Come on, the guy put Sting's name on his drum heads so he would hit them harder. The enemy of my enemy is my friend... --Terry Bozzio. Possible. --how far does the "drummers from bands we love" thing go? Mike Joyce in the top 10? Can't be.
 
Posted 08/03/2007 - 01:53:24 AM by allison1:
 DDAAAAAAVVEE LOMBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARDOOOOOOOOO!
 
Posted 08/03/2007 - 01:54:40 AM by allison1:
 DDDAAAAAAAAVVVVEEE!
 
Posted 08/03/2007 - 01:57:44 AM by allison1:
 PS (that guy from MMAAASSSTOOODOOOON!) who is the fellow from Dillinger Escape Plane? He deserves a mention if Damon Che does.
 
Posted 08/03/2007 - 03:12:01 AM by meatbreak:
 Oh shit, Corsano. Right on Rask. Grohl, Chippendale, Corsano, Frost and a Roland R1 in the top 5 please.
 
Posted 08/03/2007 - 06:16:09 AM by PeteGuy:
 Where's Pete Best? Great piece, and the top 10 is pretty much spot on.
 
Posted 08/03/2007 - 06:48:56 AM by raskolnikov:
 No John French, no Chris Corsano, no Brian Chippendale, no Kevin Shea, no Charlie Gocher, no Doug Scharin? And how is it humanly possible to leave Mr. Dale Crover off of any list of great rock drummers? Eighteen choices out of fifty are just plain silly here--Larry Mullen is the worst choice here, followed closely by Tolhurst of the Cure.
 
Posted 08/03/2007 - 07:13:58 AM by dubidet:
 Hey. Mensa: Corsano is a JAZZ drummer; this is a list of ROCK drummers. And to say that Larry Mullen, Jr. is the worst choice here shows that you know absolutely nothing about drumming.
 
Posted 08/03/2007 - 07:35:35 AM by PlatypusQuest:
 No Greg Saunier. :(
 
Posted 08/03/2007 - 08:14:28 AM by raskolnikov:
 Dubidet--Corsano plays rock music in Vampire Belt/Vampire Can't, the Flower/Corsano Duo, and Death Unit at the very least. He's also done rock stuff w/Thurston Moore under a variety of band names, rocked w/Nels Cline and Carlos Giffoni as the Graduation Unit, and guested w/Sunburned Hand of the Man and Vibracathedral Orchestra. I'd say all of these forms consist of amazing rock music, and a simple Google search could've told you that. Way to show off your ignorance. And Larry Mullen sucks ass, as does the band of prats that he plays in. Plain and simple.
 
Posted 08/03/2007 - 08:15:06 AM by meatbreak:
 Well Dubidet, what are all these other Jazz drummers and a couple of Metal drummers doing in this Rock list? No Brian Chippendale is a crime, really. There's only two instruments in Lightening Bolt, one carries the other and it ain't the strings doing the pulling. What is so special about Larry Mullen? Terrible bands can have good drummers, but Mullen ain't one of 'em. I'd say technically Mo Tucker's probably the worst! Even though the drums in the Joy Division are an essential element of what gives them their atmosphere, putting Stephen Morris as the 5th greatest drummer ever is a bit much I think. If he's rated higher than Mo Tucker, who effectively set up the whole Joy Division sound on Venus In Furs, then I guess this really is a list of favourite bands drummers. Though who actually really likes that much Zeppelin? Or The Who? Or The Stones? If you put Lombardo in who’s a Thrash (eurgh) drummer, then not having any Black Metal drummers is either naive or plain belligerence in the face of the extreme. Probably why Chippendale didn’t make the cut either.

Anyone here ever seen a French guy called Duracell? You probably should if you want to see something special. Also Stylus, you really should have put YouTube clips for each person, or at least links, like you do for video features. Would have been a nice touch.
 
Posted 08/03/2007 - 08:28:17 AM by dubidet:
 One would be hardpressed to call Vampire Belt/Death Unit/Sunburned/Vibracathedral Orchestra "rock." Moreover, the techniques that Chris utlizes w/ the aforementioned: pulse drumming, wave drumming, extended techniques etc. are about as far from rock music as xennakis' electronic work. I commend you for venturing into that sonic realm, and for *your* prowess w/ the Google internet search engine. Meatbreak, if by Jazz drummers, you mean "Billy Cobham," you must not have listened to the album specifically mentioned in the blurb, i.e. Spectrum. "Jazz drumming" is primarily based on "swinging;" Cobham does little - if any - swinging ... ever. But you are adorable in all your self-righteous indignation. Please, carry on.
 
Posted 08/03/2007 - 09:23:27 AM by djfreshie:
 Hey come on. I give this list mad respect, but you can't tell me, as far as influencing a couple of decades of rock drummers, that Bernie Perdie shouldn't be a touch higher. His beats pretty much DEFINE hip hop, and while I know this is rock list...that kind of influence can't be overlooked.
 
Posted 08/03/2007 - 10:23:27 AM by diego.olivas:
 Great ending on the top 4 I would have said those would be the best 4 as well. Only thing lacking was *gulp* a nod to Phil Collins, he of the Gabriel-era Genesis fame, and the unsung hero of many Brian Eno, and various other glam recordings.
 
Posted 08/03/2007 - 10:32:34 AM by raskolnikov:
 Dubidet--how does that short list of bands not rock--what else would you call it? It's free form, and takes influence from both jazz and rock, but they're all much more rooted in the rock canon, to my ears at least. And whatever it is that Corsano does, he does it better than every other player on this list.
 
Posted 08/03/2007 - 10:39:53 AM by raskolnikov:
 Last complaint--where's Kid Millions from Oneida? Damn, Sam, I forgot 'im too....
 
Posted 08/03/2007 - 12:01:41 PM by paperdrums:
 raskolnikov - I agree that every drummer you listed is great, but a number of 'em have had little influence , which was what this lame, Modern Drummer-style list was (evidently?) trying to pull together. Having said that, it's hilarious that Joe Easley's on here but not Doug Scharin (or Jon Theodore or John Stanier), Zach Hill but not Brian Chippendale, Lol Tolhurst but not Anton Fier from the Feelies or at least David Lovering, Stephen Morris but not Ikue Mori (whose drumwork and programmed work was and is infinitely more interesting), etc. Instead, what we got was a really, really confused list, which probably speaks well of the percussion climate right now, but fails to represent it very well. I think Corsano, Shea, and Tim Barnes would have all made interesting, if not entirely appropriate, choices for this list - Shea especially, since he seems intent on throwing splatter percussion all over every band he's in. (Whoever said Britt Walford should be here, however, was entirely correct.)
 
Posted 08/03/2007 - 12:12:07 PM by papercuts:
 I would switch Ringo and Charlie Watts on this list.

And I would argue that Igor Cavellera(remember that he is representing metal on this list as well) had more influence on black metal that Dave Lombardo.
 
Posted 08/03/2007 - 01:09:04 PM by gluedon:
 I always thought that even people who loved the Talking Heads knew that Chris Frantz sucked. I love the Talking Heads, but Chris Frantz sucked, especially as a drummer. Relieved to see Joe Easley on here. I woulda blown a gasket, Stylus.
 
Posted 08/03/2007 - 01:12:12 PM by eraserhead:
 brian chippendale...... :(
 
Posted 08/03/2007 - 01:29:48 PM by spackledbat:
 Dale Crover and Sebastian Thomson.
 
Posted 08/03/2007 - 02:59:54 PM by iheartponeez:
 BRIAN CHIPPENDALE! What the heck, he's not a better drummer than at least Rat Scabies? Disappointing list.
 
Posted 08/03/2007 - 03:02:34 PM by iheartponeez:
 Just to add another point: Nobody on that list is practically a band unto themselves like Brian Chippendale.
 
Posted 08/03/2007 - 03:22:11 PM by bivouac643:
 it seems to be a common complaint--but no brian chippendale is a shame.
 
Posted 08/03/2007 - 03:47:44 PM by AKMoose:
 I am also disappointed by the lack of Matt Cameron.
 
Posted 08/03/2007 - 04:06:25 PM by vraveen:
 danny carey!
 
Posted 08/03/2007 - 04:06:32 PM by mirakle:
 yeah, the Talking Heads are great but it's really about the bass, not the drums. Frantz was consistent and didn't fuck up, but he wasn't particularly special.
 
Posted 08/03/2007 - 04:23:52 PM by dubidet:
 Wondering why BRIAN CHIPPENDALE isn't on this list is like wondering why Adris Hoyos isn't on the list. Fuck the heck, guys, just go lay WAR down on the turntable and cry your selves to sleep.
 
Posted 08/03/2007 - 06:55:45 PM by chrismonsen:
 What, no George Hurley? No Scott Krauss?? No Brian Chippendale??? Oh, and Janet Weiss: top 10 for me, easily.
 
Posted 08/03/2007 - 06:58:40 PM by mulatschag:
 ...too bad no.... Dave Narcizo. Robert Wyatt. Jerome Brailey. Oh, and Bobby Gillesp---just kidding.
 
Posted 08/03/2007 - 07:34:06 PM by Sumptuous:
 Of course its a list of drummers in bands they like. The bands they like don't exist without the drummer responding to the band , by whatever means necessary, and if that means 4/4 and as interesting as rice so be it. You can't pick drummers in isolation from the band otherwise this would simply be a shit list of who can play faster /more rhythmically complex than the next guy. Thats called a wanking competition. I totally agree with Frantz and Tolhurst being on the list. I wouldn't deny that most of the names people are throwing about are more technically and musically accomplished, but the role of a drummer nin a band is that - a role. You have to play to suit and not many drummers do...
 
Posted 08/03/2007 - 07:57:10 PM by Keltron2001:
 That's a whole shitload of comments so I'm not sure if this got mentioned or not, but no Dale Crover???
 
Posted 08/03/2007 - 10:20:20 PM by bulb64:
 listslikethisalwaysdemanddebate.ienjoyedeverythingilearnedherein.personallyi'dhavemoonnumberonebecausehe'salotmoreinventivethanbonham.twomissesscottplouffanddanpeters.theformerspinanesandbuiltospillthelatterprimarilymudhoney.
 
Posted 08/03/2007 - 11:31:15 PM by mtwill:
 BOO!
 
Posted 08/04/2007 - 04:11:21 PM by badhaircut:
 I haven't read any of these comments but I'm sure there are at least 10 calling you out for including Gary Young.
 
Posted 08/04/2007 - 08:31:31 PM by Moaloka:
 Steve Gadd. Omar Hakim. Jeff Pocaro. Anton Fig. Did I mention Steve Gadd? Come on . . . 50 Ways to Leave Your Lover and he can't break the top 50?
 
Posted 08/05/2007 - 03:32:52 PM by dlwiebe:
 Rock, Jazz, whatever; good drummers are good drummers. Sure, I have arguments with the list, but isn't that what these kind of lists are for? A few comments: Some of Tony Williams best drumming can be heard on the Tony Williams' Lifetime album Emergency, and either of the V.S.O.P. records with Hancock, Shorter, Carter, and Freddie Hubbard. Ginger Baker really came into his own post Cream. I would cite Sunshine On The Sufferbus by The Masters of Reality, The Ginger Baker Trio with Charlie Haden and Bill Frissell, and his nonet album called Coward of The County. If Billy Cobham's not playing ROCK on Miles' Big Jack Johnson ... well ... I've always been confounded by Charlie Watts contrantly showing up in the top five. Great time keeper, so what? So is a metronome. Some of Al Jackson, Jr.'s best drumming (and best recorded drum sound) can be heard on Steve Cropper's solo record A Little Help From My Friends. Bonham's addition to the rock drumming canon can be summed up in the first minute of the first song on the first Led Zep record. #1? I think not. And where's Dino Dinelli (The Rascals) and Steve Goulding (The Rumour, The Mekons), Jim Gordon (everyone; yeah I know he killed his Mom), Jim Keltner (everyone), and Russel Kunkel (L.A. sessions, Jackson Browne). And if anyone questions John Densmore's drum prowess check out Who Do You Love, the first cut on The Doors Absolutely Live. My personal Top 5: Ginger Baker, Keith Moon, Steve Goulding, Tony Williams, Al Jackson Jr.
 
Posted 08/06/2007 - 06:21:53 PM by Jack-of-Hearts:
 is robert wyatt too jazz of fusion to be on this list or something? soft machine vols. one and two are pretty phenomenal rock albums. also no george hurley is depressing.
 
Posted 08/08/2007 - 01:39:33 PM by barbarian:
 if i took a shit in the stylus servers it would look like this list
 
Posted 08/15/2007 - 05:26:59 AM by wingedeel:
 Great article. For my money, add Pete Thomas and Bill Bruford. However, there's a photo error - please change the Clash photo to one that actually has Topper in!
 
Posted 08/20/2007 - 06:47:25 PM by tuffy1:
 Are you having a laugh?. Larry Mullen is probably the most wooden drummer in the world yet he is ahead of such people as Jimmy Chamberlin, Bill Bruford, Neil Peart and Igor Cavalera. MMMM
 
Posted 10/04/2007 - 08:23:44 PM by HodgoBerro:
 larry mullen 21? what a joke. where is jon farriss (INXS) hes a top 10 for sure.
 
Posted 11/09/2007 - 08:30:57 PM by AudioSuede:
 I was very pleased by this list for the most part. But, considering how contemporary this list is at some points, I was struck by two notable absences. First, Taylor Hawkins, the only man Dave Grohl would let take his place on the drums for the Foo Fighters. Second, and I think most notable, is Jon Theodore of The Mars Volta. When you listen to that band, his playing does not jump out at you immediately; for some reason, he's always been mixed way down on all their recordings. But when you delve through the rather unbelievable (and sometimes incomprehensible) guitar parts coming from Omar Rodriguez-Lopez, suddenly there is a shuddering cascade of fills, intricate rhythms, and pure power. The man is creative enough to play with one of the weirdest bands in rock and roll, and he has the dexterity to not only match their instrumental prowess, but to far surpass the others in terms of skill. Now he's left the band, and only time can tell if they'll ever survive.