Depeche Mode vs. The Cure

By: Andrew Unterberger

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Posted 03/21/2007 - 09:30:15 AM by ebenoit:
 Andrew I disagree with the, "More Influential Outside of the Goth-Rock Genre" win going to the Cure. DM influenced a lot of the early Detroit techno, alongside some EBM; though I would suggest the latter was more based off the influence of Cabaret Voltaire/Fad Gadget/The Normal/Thomas Leer and the more soft side of TG. Front 242 were already operating in 81-82 before DM had really floated into the "harder" sounds that they developed on Construction Time Again thanks to the Berlin influence; not to mention DAF, who are arguably considered the forefathers of what was to be termed EBM. A lot of techno innovators site DM among a few other important figures, as a very important influence in their early work. This influence on techno was sited even more during the second wave of techno with LFO, Hawtin, etc. the Depeche influence is broader than people think it is, and just having some of the techno greats in their "list" alone puts them very high above the Cure in that category. You also left out one of DM's most important singles, "Personal Jesus" in the singles argument. (I am not undermining the power of "Enjoy The Silence" either.) That one song also launched so many ships that to not include it in the argument is just wrong. It is also the one track that often times will weaken even the staunchest hater of DM. I can't tell you how many people I have known that hate DM, but love that song.
Posted 03/21/2007 - 09:43:43 AM by blackrooster:
 Maybe I'm not cool enough but I think Boys don't cry is a great song and in no way embarassing.
Posted 03/21/2007 - 12:30:05 PM by bassman08:
 I think the Cure's first 4 albums are way better than their later stuff. Why doesn't anyone ever believe me?
Posted 03/21/2007 - 02:23:21 PM by tintin1000:
 the cure wins, hands down. i love depeche mode, but the cure stood for so much more and did so much more and has lasted so much longer in a vital, meaningful light. definitely the cure.
Posted 03/21/2007 - 02:23:28 PM by boilingboy:
 Bassman, I'm with you. It really depends on when you got into a band that determines your view of the "classics". Most think of Out of Time and Joshua Tree as the best albums of REM and UR, but I absolutely disagree in favor of BOy and Reckoning. With the Cure, it's the arly albums that possess the dark emotional intensity. When I was in School, Seventeen Seconds and Faith sustained me through my young despair. In fact, I believe that Faith trumps the prettiness of Disintegration every time. No dressed upkeyboard sprinkling for Faith...it's all dark and spiritual. For me, it's like saying New Order are better than Joy Division: More universal appeal, sure; but Closer is leagues more resonant, though harder to listen to.
Posted 03/21/2007 - 02:25:59 PM by boilingboy:
 God, I wish I could spell check these comments. By the way, "Wailing Wall" is my favorite song off The Top.
Posted 03/21/2007 - 03:12:08 PM by ebenoit:
 tintin1000, I certainly don't think The Cure stood for anything more than Depeche Mode; and they are certainly not any more vital or relevant now than DM. Depeche have meant so much more to me personally through the years than The Cure ever had or will. I can't even listen to a Cure album now without wincing. I feel that their music just didn't carry at all with me... sadly.
Posted 03/21/2007 - 03:34:21 PM by garlad1:
 What about the 'Most health-afflicted lead singer' category?
Posted 03/21/2007 - 05:30:04 PM by arterial_red:
 Goddamn, that must have been hard deciding between the two. Love 'em both, but gotta go with DM on this one. Also, props for pointing out how ridiculously underrated Songs of Faith and Devotion is. Love that album...
Posted 03/21/2007 - 05:43:16 PM by bassman08:
 Oh, I also forgot to mention that Dinosaur Jrs version of "Just Like Heaven" trumps the Cure's version soundly. I don't know why I like it so much better, but I do.
Posted 03/21/2007 - 11:16:28 PM by TysonT:
 Depeche Mode wins for several reasons (if nothing else, it's because they never have worked with Blink 182), but all one needs to do is view (or listen to) Depeche Mode 101 to see why. With the world's relationship to pop music in the state that its currently in, I don't forsee another band holding that much power over so many people ever again.
Posted 03/22/2007 - 09:15:07 AM by DeSandro:
 I have never smiled to a Depeche Mode song. And how many top 40 hits can you list for DM? Over-arching influence is great and all, but I'm a bigger proponent of wider acceptance. The Cure wins.
Posted 03/22/2007 - 12:23:11 PM by cwperry:
 "I’ve talked to people who were actually around during these bands’ imperial runs, and more often than not, they express love for the bands with looking-over-their-shoulder hesitance"--exactly. Circa '86 I was embarrassed to reveal any tolerance for The Cure and today consider them third- or fourth-rate despite my embrace of "Just Like Heaven," a general understanding tolerance, still thinking Wish is a good album, even wanting to kick myself for getting rid of my original vinyl pressing of Disintegration. All of my ambivalence can be traced back to the "imperial run," during which if the band had ceased to exist I barely would've noticed. Depeche Mode, on the other hand, was the province of people I felt didn't even like music, and to this day I couldn't hum one note of "Enjoy the Silence," don't even know the name of the one Depeche Mode song I don't mind ("I'm taking a ride with my best friend"--so iconic to me I can't remember its name), and really don't even consider them to be "real music." Heretical, I know, but Depeche Mode to me was always mere fashion--no pun intended--and no amount of longevity will make me see them as anything other than that.
Posted 03/22/2007 - 01:53:14 PM by bassman08:
 cwperry: What about "Personal Jesus"? I thought that one was pretty widely known. Granted, its the only song of theirs I could hum. In fact, its the only song title I even know.
Posted 03/22/2007 - 07:55:11 PM by arterial_red:
 For me, whether a band makes me smile or not is irrelevant. I respect your opinion, just don't agree. I can't put my finger on it, but DM just does more for me, personally.
Posted 03/22/2007 - 09:44:55 PM by :
 Arterial Red, whether DM & your subjective viewpoint substrate anything is vividly ephemeral & paste-vague pacifist, a quantum crime round these parts. The imperative is that you cry the ungodly atmosphere of sterility out of your system & work your mind around to the better position. They`re all here to guide you - & you will be. If there`s a question on your lips about the Cure`s trag-clownery it`s surely a whisper that is slowly setting things right. "Admire subtle deviations from the norm until you no longer remember what it is you *preferred* (about DM) and can hear it the way they`re hearing it." Does it start with Prayers For Rain? Does one work backwards?
Posted 03/23/2007 - 12:07:15 PM by cwperry:
 bassman08: Yeah, I definitely know "Personal Jesus" inside out; I just never cared for it much.
Posted 03/23/2007 - 05:07:09 PM by arterial_red:
 Medicine time...