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Stylus Magazine’s Top 50 Singles of 2005

By: Stylus Staff
2005-12-05



Posted 12/05/2005 - 08:29:09 AM by wantondisco:
 love the first 10 of a dreaded/anticipated list, but i kinda prefer Number 1 to Ooh La La really.
 
Posted 12/05/2005 - 10:31:13 AM by dioxido:
 i love #46.
 
Posted 12/05/2005 - 11:13:54 AM by Zarklephaser:
 "I Turn My Camera On" deserves to be in at *least* the top twenty, you smug fucks. :)
 
Posted 12/05/2005 - 11:35:33 AM by PlatypusQuest:
 "I Turn My Camera On" should be higher. So should "Grass." That song RULES.
 
Posted 12/05/2005 - 11:43:43 AM by Havalina:
 Number 50 is brilliant! I hate the Sugababes though.
 
Posted 12/05/2005 - 11:49:55 AM by MoldyMan:
 i thought sugarbabes woulda got higher. im dont mind lists. there just meaningless.
 
Posted 12/05/2005 - 01:43:07 PM by hutlock:
 The problem with "I Turn My Camera On" is that it split votes with "Sister Jack" among the staff, and so it finished lower than it might have. But considering how many singles come out in a year, and the fact that we fully encompass both US and UK releases (and voters), anything in the Top 50 at all is a damn fine finish.
 
Posted 12/05/2005 - 01:48:57 PM by ckramer:
 "grass" is a top ten track of the year.
 
Posted 12/05/2005 - 01:48:59 PM by MEKsLP:
 Sister Jack loses its charm more and more everytime I hear it. I Turn My Camera all the way.
 
Posted 12/05/2005 - 05:40:11 PM by wantondisco:
 agree that Grass shouldve made it higher, as should Hide and Seek, as its gorgeous.
 
Posted 12/05/2005 - 06:06:24 PM by ddrake:
 Fat Joe's verse is great! ;)
 
Posted 12/05/2005 - 06:32:18 PM by TheBrad:
 Oh I swear if Clarkson's at number one there will be magma-grinding chaos-streaming tectonic hell to pay, you hear me, Stylus? I know I RSVP'd for the office party, but those 12-packs of Tecate can just as easily go back into the fridge.
 
Posted 12/05/2005 - 06:47:05 PM by shredded77:
 that imogen heap track is off the chain
 
Posted 12/05/2005 - 06:53:31 PM by clonus13:
 Who are The Mountain Goats? I've never heard of these guys, but a friend of mine has his own website where they listed "Broom People" as one of their top 100 songs, and now you guys list another one of their songs. When did their album comeout, so that I can have a listen?
 
Posted 12/05/2005 - 07:42:03 PM by axiomatic:
 not knowing about the mountain goats makes the baby jesus cry.
 
Posted 12/05/2005 - 07:50:58 PM by JohnCameron:
 Hey. I went with "Camera." Bitches. Also, I've never heard "off the chain" used to describe succulent, near-ambient dream-pop before.
 
Posted 12/05/2005 - 08:32:21 PM by mikepowell:
 clonus, the Mountain Goats are basically one guy, with occasional (and recently more frequent) accompaniment singing idiosyncratic, pained songs about Kawasaki bikes, alcoholism, crippling love, and baseball. Their last album, The Sunset Tree, came out earlier this year and was reviewed here (by me). We have a handful of MG reviews in the archives. I recommend starting either with All Hail West Texas (which is from his lo-fi years) or Tallahassee, which was his first "cleaner" studio album. Either way, a treat.
 
Posted 12/05/2005 - 11:13:56 PM by Meowface:
 i'm looking forward to seeing Architecture in Helsinki, New Pornographers, Clor, Gorillaz and M.I.A. on there.. i'd say my favourite song this year was Akron/Family's "running/returning".. it's just incredible music.. hippies
 
Posted 12/05/2005 - 11:31:16 PM by ieatseeds:
 "not knowing about the mountain goats makes the baby jesus cry." this made me guffaw. i needed that.
 
Posted 12/06/2005 - 08:13:25 AM by Skee-lo:
 Nice to see M83 in there, but if 'Don't Save Us From The Flames' is number 43, then Teen Angst surely must be higher up the list? And how different are people's attitudes towards Juelz this year? He has always been great, check out some of his verses on Diplomatic Immunity 1. If that album came out today, I guarantee it would get amazing reviews on Stylus et al.
 
Posted 12/06/2005 - 08:46:30 AM by portnoy:
 i dunno what to think - you guys have already posted the best single of 2005 as your #40, so i can't imagine why you're continuing to put this list together
 
Posted 12/06/2005 - 09:23:15 AM by ddrake:
 Juelz is good, so is Diplomatic Immunity. But Juelz was definitely a major weak link on that album.
 
Posted 12/06/2005 - 10:39:07 AM by AlexMacpherson:
 i shoulda so voted for mariah! i forgot how amazing 'we belong together' is. um also i want to point out that the LINDSTROM REMIX of 'tribulations' owns the original and indeed most of the world, mostly cos of the 'i feel love' breakdown.
 
Posted 12/06/2005 - 12:20:17 PM by Zurich:
 "BAD NEWS, RAP DUDES" you guys messed up big time. Mic Check at #39? Please.
 
Posted 12/06/2005 - 12:45:07 PM by Hillary:
 Oy, Stylus. That's two L's in my name.
 
Posted 12/06/2005 - 02:38:19 PM by jhitting:
 LCD Soundsystem rules. I saw them live a few weeks ago and they rocked my world. Thanks, Stylus. Everybody makes mistakes, but it's OK when you apologize in this fashion.
 
Posted 12/06/2005 - 03:23:17 PM by roadrunner:
 i don't get it - is this a serious list or is tha real one coming out next week? can "wait" really be one of the best traxx from this year? are you playing some joke or something? i'm a little lost over how stupid this pop-whore'd list is. even last yrs best song list had some interesting songs on it, instead of just Mariah Carey and Paul Wall krap-flack. i really don't get it. this place has erupt'd and gone dumb.
 
Posted 12/06/2005 - 04:03:09 PM by TheBrad:
 THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT STAR ABOUT TEXAS IS THE HOME OF THE PLAYAS AND PIMPS
 
Posted 12/06/2005 - 04:41:21 PM by j_cunningham:
 roadrunner, by "last year's list," do you mean the one that included Ciara, Destiny's Child, Twista, Nina Sky, Jim Jones, Jay-Z, Twista, Kanye West, Snoop Dogg, Usher, and Britney Spears?
 
Posted 12/06/2005 - 05:50:01 PM by cleric:
 i hate to say this, but mariah carey is at least better than the awful franz ferdinand. how did that acoustic garbage manage to get into any best-of-list?
 
Posted 12/06/2005 - 05:51:05 PM by roadrunner:
 i mean tha one that inkluded joanna newsom and...and...fine, stylus has alwayz play'd to tha radio-Clear Channel krowd. is that whut you want'd to hear?
 
Posted 12/06/2005 - 07:33:04 PM by Hone_Heke:
 The real stylus list, the albums list, and the fake list, this singles list, are always completely incongruent affairs, as they have to be. Otherwise this list would just be the best songs off the best albums and that would be boring. No, a fake primer is what we need in heady anticipation of real list. It`s the drip-feed system I hate.
 
Posted 12/07/2005 - 12:07:03 AM by Mike_Mineo:
 #32 is indeed amazing.
 
Posted 12/07/2005 - 01:05:33 AM by petebb:
 subtext to Meowface: a big fat 'palabra' to "running, returning." those hippies shook me to my core on that one... though i wanted them to reprise that first theme so badly i couldn't quite take it.
 
Posted 12/07/2005 - 01:52:41 AM by JohnCameron:
 The only things I feel bad for rating where I did in retrospect are Hawley, who I underrated twice, I think, and Green Day, who I overrated because I was feeling way too generous that week. Anyways, whilst this list is pretty pro-pop, with some unfortunate exceptions (*cough*PAUL WALL*cough*) it's so far a pretty solid list with memorable songs. I mean, I hate the Carey track, but it's far from anonymous and better than "Shake It Off," so why not? It's late where I am. I'm sorry for rambling.
 
Posted 12/07/2005 - 02:59:21 AM by KissMyGrits:
 wassup mothers, i found a loooophole. y'all didn't say it gots to be a single released in the 2005, so i nominate "since u been gone" for number one. if it doesn't win, expect flames to a hindenburg-boning-a-weber-charcoal-grill-buttfucked-with-dynamite degree WHAT.
 
Posted 12/07/2005 - 03:07:04 AM by KissMyGrits:
 also. paul wall should be nailed onto a suxafix
 
Posted 12/07/2005 - 04:39:25 AM by TheBrad:
 YOU DON'T KNOW 'BOUT A SOUTHSIDE FADE DOWN HERE WE BE RIDIN' D'S BUT YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT CHOPPIN' BLADES TEXAS SOUTHERN OR PRAIRIE VIEW WHAT YOU KNOW ABOUT BATTLE OF THE BANDS DOWN HERE WE GOT GHETTO GRUB LIKE WILLIAMS CHICKEN OR TIMMY CHAN'S
 
Posted 12/07/2005 - 07:30:52 AM by MattChesnut:
 Indie police, arrest this man, he talks in raps, and flosses like a pimp
 
Posted 12/07/2005 - 08:20:04 AM by kineticandroid:
 The Backstreet Boys should not be here. They esspecially should not be #24. What is this? 1999?
 
Posted 12/07/2005 - 08:26:44 AM by PlatypusQuest:
 This is making me nervous. First the Kanye picture (please, oh please don't put Kanye at the top!!!) and now the inclusion of "Incomplete." Eeek!
 
Posted 12/07/2005 - 09:21:28 AM by MEKsLP:
 Everyone here does understand what a single is correct? I guess I am addressing to the persons getting all pissy with comments like "OH MY GAWD THERE IS TOO MUCH POP N SHIT ON THE LIST STYLUS SUCKS PLEASE DIE". For a singles list you can't just pick any song off of any album, you have to pick actual released singles. It dosen't matter if the Backstreet Boys had one of the worst reviewed albums of the year out, all that matters is that the one single Stylus puts on their list is good. The album list will be completely different.
 
Posted 12/07/2005 - 09:55:07 AM by mbarthel:
 No it won't, it'll have the Mountain Goats and Spoon and M83 and Animal Collective and LCD Soundsystem and Franz Ferdinand and Bloc fucking Party, and probably Vitalic and Missy and Rachel Stevens and Sugababes too.
 
Posted 12/07/2005 - 10:03:04 AM by bendsinister:
 Its really cool that "grass" is number 44 AND its going to be nuber 1!! strange decision, but I'm all for it...
 
Posted 12/07/2005 - 10:05:51 AM by MEKsLP:
 Its a given that some of the songs on this list will be on the albums selected; I meant that the Backstreet Boys amoung other obvious selections probably won't have album selections.
 
Posted 12/07/2005 - 10:29:12 AM by dioxido:
 hooray for feist, gorillaz and bloc party. even if i prefer banquet. i can't understand backstreet boys and others, but it's not my list...
 
Posted 12/07/2005 - 10:38:01 AM by PaulScott:
 http://ilx.wh3rd.net/thread.php?msgid=6501907#unread lol at people
 
Posted 12/07/2005 - 11:09:46 AM by GavinM:
 If anything, "Wait" is too low.
 
Posted 12/07/2005 - 11:33:43 AM by Klenches:
 great list so far - with the exception of BSB. Regarding Sway, is he still "unsigned"? What is up with that? Also the version of "Up Your Speed" that I possess ends with a diatribe about Ursher and "Confessions." Is that supposed to be there? Still brilliant though.
 
Posted 12/07/2005 - 11:53:00 AM by PlatypusQuest:
 Oh man... That would be so awesome if "Grass" was ALSO number one..... I like the way your think, bendsinister. Now let's hope Stylus likes that idea too...
 
Posted 12/07/2005 - 12:27:56 PM by whiteboysushi:
 wow, so I guess this means "Apply Some Pressure" cracked the top 20, huh?
 
Posted 12/07/2005 - 12:53:40 PM by jhitting:
 Backstreet Boys, ya say? O....K. Is Stylus trying to stay hip by sucking? That's a weird way to stay relevant. It has worked for Beck in the last few years, and Perry Farell since 1993, but only CERTAIN artists have the ability to suck their way to success. And Stylus is no artist.
 
Posted 12/07/2005 - 01:16:40 PM by ckramer:
 "oh my gosh" and " my friend dario" are good picks. this list makes me wonder what songs get played and hyped in the uk. "lose control" was a letdown, but it guess that cybotron sample was a good use... so, i guess "grass" is going to be no.1 too? that is bold, guys. but i like it...alot
 
Posted 12/07/2005 - 01:18:48 PM by ckramer:
 also, i know you're probably going to put "hung up" in the top ten (because it has already been mentioned several times in the list)...but please don't make it a top three. that would make 2005 seem soo depressing.
 
Posted 12/07/2005 - 01:59:47 PM by ghillz:
 I appear to be the only person who thinks Oh My Gosh is the worst Basement Jaxx single to date.
 
Posted 12/07/2005 - 02:12:29 PM by DomPassantino:
 Yeah, because everyone else knows it's "Get Me Off"
 
Posted 12/07/2005 - 02:47:03 PM by snowface:
 so which mainstream act is gonna be #1? That's how this works right? somehow sales play a part in this correct? clearly gold digger is going to be top 2. along with numerous more rap-pop-poop singles that really don't deserve to be ranked so high but are because we must all bow before the altar that is mainstream success. they are more "relevent" we must give them more credit than is due for their really great marketing. "soul survivor" and "gold digger" top 2 is my guess.
 
Posted 12/07/2005 - 02:57:20 PM by dougrokakis:
 Jamie Lidell's Multiply better be up there.
 
Posted 12/07/2005 - 03:56:36 PM by roadrunner:
 that backstreet boys trak really tearz me apart! tha vokal harmoneez! tha lyrikal integrity! tha poetry of both tha musik and tha radiowave appeal! should be way higher than juelz santana (altho tha goose smacker should be numba 2!!)! i wub stylus! i wub you AJ!!
 
Posted 12/07/2005 - 04:22:27 PM by AlfredSoto:
 I'm delighted that snowface understands how music works and how critics respond to music.
 
Posted 12/07/2005 - 04:50:02 PM by roadrunner:
 wub v. foc v. kanye west. please debate this issue. please.
 
Posted 12/07/2005 - 05:04:21 PM by PlatypusQuest:
 Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. "Get Me Off" is an outstanding (!) Basement Jaxx track and yes, "Oh My Gosh" is pretty lackluster, especially for them. As far as the "mainstream" singles go, I think Amerie's "1 Thing" is probably my favorite for the year, though it probably won't be number one. That position might go to something like "Since U Been Gone," which would be understandable considering the splash it made - - - and, embarassing as it may be to admit it, it ended up being a helluva lot better than it sounded in theory. If "Gold Digger" lands the number one slot though, I will be pretty irked. The last thing Kanye needs is ANOTHER ego boost.
 
Posted 12/07/2005 - 05:15:02 PM by MEKsLP:
 Some of you guys take these lists way too personally. "If single "x" is even close to the 10 ten, I mean if it even looks at the top 10 I am never going to read your site ever again!!". Complaining about Stylus having numerous pop singles in their year-end singles list at this point is like bitching about MTV not playing music videos anymore. What I mean to say is get over it! They do this every year and every year everyone gets all pissy and acts surprised as if the Ying Yang twins being in the list killed your most favorite cat. The only list I take semi-seriously is their movie and album lists, the singles list is more for harmless fun than anything.
 
Posted 12/07/2005 - 05:15:34 PM by spidey:
 We all know it, deep in our hearts, so let's just admit it: Trapped in the Closet is #1 with a fuckin' bullet.
 
Posted 12/07/2005 - 05:41:02 PM by wmdavidson:
 MEKsLP, people are going to disagree with the list and there's nothing inherently wrong with that. I don't see the point of this defensive, "Either agree with Stylus or shut up" attitude.
 
Posted 12/07/2005 - 05:57:04 PM by MEKsLP:
 And believe me I have had disagrements with Stylus as much as anyone (and voiced them). But this is a singles list and seeing the same "on no you didn't!" comments on it every year regarding the pop inclusions is just humorus and pointless. I don't expect it to change, but I will point it out none-the-less.
 
Posted 12/07/2005 - 07:38:37 PM by scatter:
 I really hate that Backstreet Boys track. Also surprised to see "So Here We Are" ranked so high - I didn't even realize it was a single and it's always been one of my least favourite tracks on the album.
 
Posted 12/07/2005 - 07:41:35 PM by scatter:
 Love the Feist track, though.
 
Posted 12/07/2005 - 08:55:02 PM by clem_bastow:
 "and the fact that we fully encompass both US and UK releases (and voters)"
OMG and Australia kthxbye.
 
Posted 12/07/2005 - 11:27:23 PM by :
 This is the 70th comment for the Stylus Magazine`s Top 50 SIngles of 2005. I`d like to comment on the List Disclaimer. Each year they get longer and longer. The ifs and buts and althoughs and howevers pile up in increasingly longer and longer paragraphs of list angst, paranoia, pseudo-humility. I found this year`s most entertaining. After three paragraphs of list-disclaiming waffle I found myself sentimentalised into submission. Therefore I issue a challenge to Stylus to introduce the Albums List with something succinct like "Here`s our Albums List you can fuckin` eat it for breakfast"
 
Posted 12/07/2005 - 11:52:08 PM by JohnCameron:
 I'm pushing for "ALBUMS, FUCK."
 
Posted 12/07/2005 - 11:58:58 PM by dipdip:
 doesn't a year of 12 months? doesn't december have 31 days? what on Walmart's good earth is a list of this years best being published for at this time? not that anything here is "best" by any means... Is it just to beat thee rush, cos either way it accomplishes zilch? Couldn't wait until after thee Christmas rush to push these great stocking stuffers...
 
Posted 12/08/2005 - 01:03:16 AM by KettleMcGregor:
 Great call on the Feist track, I hadn't actually heard it before. I picked up that record last week, but unfortunately I got it the same day I got Kicking Television, so I've neglected it to a degree. The list is real good so far, though I'll never understand the appeal of "Do You Want To"
 
Posted 12/08/2005 - 03:56:35 AM by NickSouthall:
 I can exclusively reveal that the JCB song is number 2 and "My Humps" is number 1.
 
Posted 12/08/2005 - 05:44:09 AM by DomPassantino:
 Also featuring in the top 10: "Bad Bad Man" by John Cena and The Ordinary Boys.
 
Posted 12/08/2005 - 06:53:02 AM by bj_randolph:
 Southall-- seen this yet?
 
Posted 12/08/2005 - 07:01:48 AM by Hexagon:
 Worst list ever. Are you just including R. Kelly's magnum opus to be controversial? Hilarious they may be, but the music is shit.
 
Posted 12/08/2005 - 07:12:00 AM by bj_randolph:
 Timmerman-- re: Luda's guest shots. I posit "Lovers & Friends" as his greatest triumph; simultaneously hilarious, dirrrty and downright masterful, he almost manages to salvage an otherwise disaterous track, one which someone on the Jukebox rightly called "an aesthetic train wreck", i.e., you can't stop watching/listening because you just have to know how bad it will get before the merciful end. That aside, no mention of Luda's fairly obvious parody/homage to Eminem's flow on "Oh"? To me that's an essay of lengthy speculation in itself.
 
Posted 12/08/2005 - 07:36:27 AM by jonathan:
 bj_randolph: Could you expand on your ideas about the Eminem homage of Luda's "Oh" verse? To me it just sounds like a continuation of "What's Your Fantasy." Also, I wish I'd included Lovers and Friends in my list. I think I'm the only person who genuinely likes that track, and even though I don't think it was top 20, I should have put it there for reasons of posterity.
 
Posted 12/08/2005 - 07:43:44 AM by Skee-lo:
 Some of you people are idiots. Since when was it illegal to like a pop song? A few years ago you indie folks weren't allowed to like hip-hop, yet you all love Kanye West now (and OutKast are ok for you to like right?). Now you aren't allowed to like pop songs? How sad. Stop trying too hard.
 
Posted 12/08/2005 - 08:10:23 AM by dleone:
 "Besides, Madonna has a better voice than Frida or Agnetha, you know." ouch
 
Posted 12/08/2005 - 09:22:07 AM by hutlock:
 Just to clarify, the list is a poll of all of our writers and editors -- they are all invited to vote, though obviously some of them don't. We don't put things in any order other than by how many votes they got from those people. We don't "make" something #1 or #22 or whatever -- it gets dictated by the collective staff voice, however that works itself out.
 
Posted 12/08/2005 - 11:15:48 AM by whiteboysushi:
 that doesn't mean you can't be extremely wrong.
 
Posted 12/08/2005 - 11:17:48 AM by axiomatic:
 but it DOES mean that no individual writer is wrong, whiteboy... besides you can't go about making moral judgements on a subjective list. especially one decided by collective.
 
Posted 12/08/2005 - 11:27:33 AM by gM.Ed.:
 Enjoying the list. I wish I could just load these tracks on my iPod, i need something to listen to while I enter data at work today (and every damn day). I hope there is another Animal Collective track to come... is _Purple Bottle_ a single?! A Prefuse track would be cool but I know it's not coming. The Books _An Animated Description of Mr. Maps_ anyone?! i'll shut up now
 
Posted 12/08/2005 - 11:51:38 AM by TheRookie:
 Currently working on a best of 2005 singles playlist for my ipod (i do this every year) so the list is helping me remember a few songs i missed (putting daft punk is playing at my house over tribulations, gra!) I am seriously curious as to what's in the top ten as the usual suspects from discussions I have had about people on songs of the year (MIA, Madonna, Franz, Animal Collective, Gwen, Feist, R. Kelly, Kanye West etc.) Personal preditctions though would have to go to The Game - Hate it or Love it, Lady Sovereign (by simple fact that she hasn't shown up, not for the fact that i feel any of her singles are top ten material though this could be another split vote to keep her off the list completely), The Arcade Fire - Rebellion (Lies), Gorillaz - Dare, The Go Team - Ladyflash, possibly a Coldplay song though which one I'm not sure since neither single stands out to me personally.
 
Posted 12/08/2005 - 11:54:46 AM by jlynch:
 wow, most of 20-11 were songs i'd expected would end up in your top 10. i wonder what that means for the top 10 - lots of mediocre indie? that would be a funny turnaround. but really though, 1 thing. really.
 
Posted 12/08/2005 - 11:55:08 AM by hutlock:
 "that doesn't mean you can't be extremely wrong." I didn't say that it did. I suppose I'm just trying to define the "you" a bit, as some of you seem to be directing your comments as if these were chosen in some hand-picked manner, which they weren't. Obviously you are all entitled to your opinions, just as we are, and these represent a distillation of our collective. I ain't mad atcha. Just trying to be clear about things.
 
Posted 12/08/2005 - 12:14:27 PM by PlatypusQuest:
 There are plenty of worthy NON-INDIE songs left for the top ten: "Since U Been Gone" ~ Kelly Clarkson; "1 Thing" ~ Amerie; "Hate It Or Love It" ~ The Game; "Stay High" ~ Three 6 Mafia; ("These Words" ~ Natasha Bedingfield??) ....... But then there are also a handful of great INDIE songs that could (read: SHOULD) appear on the list as well: "Heartbeat" ~ Annie (it technically WAS released this year, NOT in '04); "Shine a Light" ~ Wolf Parade; "Glósóli" ~ Sigur Rós; "Bottle Rocket" ~ The Go! Team...... and that's about ten total right there! Granted, not all of them will be in the top ten, but I think a handful of them will be....
 
Posted 12/08/2005 - 12:15:31 PM by PlatypusQuest:
 Oh yeah, and "Dare" by the Gorillaz should be in there as well.... That Virgin Mobile commerical that played that song was hysterical - - and the song is great too.
 
Posted 12/08/2005 - 12:26:15 PM by TheRookie:
 Shine a Light is a good choice but wasn't it recently released? I tend to find that any single released in Nov/Dec usually get shafted in these sorts of list. Also, I love Evil and C'mere by Interpol, both 2005 singles but having the stigma of "hey i was listening to these songs back in the 2004 antics leak" which probably is working against them.
 
Posted 12/08/2005 - 01:39:44 PM by axiomatic:
 all i'm gonna say is that if okkervil river's "for real" doesn't show up in the top ten, i'm going to be very disappointed. but i'm pretty sure it won't, anyway.
 
Posted 12/08/2005 - 01:42:31 PM by hunky_dory:
 So glad to see 'Hope There's Someone' on here, and I'm pulling for 'Shine a Light' but not holding much hope of seeing it. I'm with you, PlatypusQuest, plenty of great non-indie singles out there, and I'm not ashamed of my love for 'Since U Been Gone.' She fucking rocks the chorus, yeah-yeah. And goddam, people, not every single on the list needs to be IMPORTANT, it just needs to be GOOD, and the singles on this list that I've heard are GOOD.
 
Posted 12/08/2005 - 01:54:54 PM by bj_randolph:
 jonathan-- Luda's voice is far more nasally than usual on "Oh", which reminded me immediately of Em (on first listen, I thought is was Em). Throw in the Bone-Thugz-y rapid fire bits and I hear homage; throw in the repetition of words to fill out the line and I read parody of some of Em's lazier moments.
 
Posted 12/08/2005 - 02:04:41 PM by Connor:
 The predictions have been pretty poor thus far. I liked 20-11 just fine.
 
Posted 12/08/2005 - 02:16:47 PM by gM.Ed.:
 Soto - I think you meant "unhomogenized" :D
 
Posted 12/08/2005 - 02:18:26 PM by TheRookie:
 For some reason i keep thinking Since U Been Gone is a 2004 song. I'm agreeing with Hunky Dory, there really isn't a bad song on this list and a singles list is usually not about importance or substance but more catchiness anyways. At the very least if you don't like a song (for me this would be Incomplete and Oh) you can at least see why anyone WOULD like any of these songs, and if all the songs on the list have that quality you can at least say it's a sucessful list.
 
Posted 12/08/2005 - 02:41:32 PM by mheumann:
 "Trapped in the Closet" in this list? What the fuck is wrong with all of you? Shame--easily the stupidest song of recent memory (even stupider than "My Humps").
 
Posted 12/08/2005 - 02:43:45 PM by adentice:
 It's starting to heat up: 15-11 could easily have been 5-1 (Madonna, Kanye and Ciara definitely too low). The top 10 should be controversial. I'm hoping that guitars will be represented well.
 
Posted 12/08/2005 - 02:54:52 PM by DomPassantino:
 100th comment! I think Nizlopi will win, just beating out some of that grime music that's so popular in the UK.
 
Posted 12/08/2005 - 02:59:54 PM by J_R_K_:
 "my friend dario" is such a good track. i need to spend some time checking out these electro rockers like goldfrapp, rachel stevens and uh, others.
i can't believe ya'll don't have any kasabian yet. -1 point.
 
Posted 12/08/2005 - 05:27:19 PM by boilingboy:
 Once again, the writers want to have their cake and eat it, too. All this contoversy over the song choices woulfd be moot if the writers merely titled their lists "Favorite" rather than "Best of". "The only songs that mattered in 2005"? Sounds like a committed statement to me. Instead, we get the "it's-just-a-subjective-list-don't-take-it-seriousely" defensiveness, ad nauseum. Not the first time (or last)time this point has been brought up...but the 100th time it's gone unanswered by Stylus. A smug response is a cop out, guys.
 
Posted 12/08/2005 - 06:25:15 PM by ddrake:
 Fear our opressive regime of opinion!
 
Posted 12/08/2005 - 06:32:30 PM by roadrunner:
 tha 2 good thingz about this list? 1 Trapped in the Closet, truly i enjoy this track(s) and i think the idea alone is hilarious. but to be carried out by R.Kelly makes it all tha better. Why isn't it number 1? oh, becuz apparently both Madonna and Gwen Stefani are more creative artists. 2 Bucky Done Gun, one of the better traxx of tha year, and probably almost definitely tha best pop track of tha year. if you think good pop is Madonna then you lose yr license as musik journalists. i can't wait to see Orthrelm take tha number 1 spot (c'mon c'mon...). suck it stylus.
 
Posted 12/08/2005 - 06:34:05 PM by jlynch:
 boilingboy is right! look at the list: it says "Stylus Magazine's Top 50 Singles of 2005". wait a minute, where does it say best? what? i'm confused
 
Posted 12/08/2005 - 09:12:47 PM by proffokker:
 I'd like to second KettleMcGregor on Feist. I friggin' love that song. And re: "Wait"...the worst part is that the beat's GOOD. I wish reactionary shit like that wouldn't be so insidious, but what can you do. Whoever mentioned "Hate It or Love It" is right: it's a great single.
 
Posted 12/08/2005 - 09:15:02 PM by proffokker:
 But yeah, I don't agree with everything but it seems like you guys are doing a good job of covering most of the bases (as opposed to zeroing on the indie notables and the acceptable entries from the top 40).
 
Posted 12/08/2005 - 10:50:56 PM by Zarklephaser:
 Am I the only one waiting to see "Diamonds from Sierra Leone" in at least the top three?
 
Posted 12/08/2005 - 11:13:42 PM by TheRookie:
 I am one a person who thinks Diamonds from Sierra Leone is a better song then Golddigger but much like the debate between "All Falls Down" vs. "Jesus Walks" I believe those who perfer the former in both scenarios are in the vast minority. It'd be a pleasing suprise if it does show up but i'm not holding my breath for it.
 
Posted 12/08/2005 - 11:42:45 PM by GavinM:
 Things that won't make it [sadface]: Ashanti - Only U (forgotten - too early in the year), Ebony Eyez - In Ya Face, T.I. - You Don't Know Me, Diplomats - S.A.N.T.A.N.A., 50 Cent - Hate It Or Love It, Crime Mob - Stilettos (pumps), Damian Marley - Welcome to Jamrock, Ludacris - The Potion
Stuff that's in the top 10: One Thing (#1 with a bullet), Stay Fly BETTER BE THERE, Still Tippin BETTER BE THERE, maybe Kanye - Diamonds, Kelly - Since U Been Gone.
Worst picks: Madonna at #11 (benefits from late release), Young Jeezy (not even as good as soul survivor, which sucks). I'm biased against rock bands so I won't judge those.
 
Posted 12/08/2005 - 11:47:01 PM by ddrake:
 Soul Survivor >>> S.a.n.t.a.n.a. With you on the Ashanti. ASAP >>> U Don't Know Me
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 01:42:27 AM by Neo_Vincent:
 Crime Mob - Stilettos (pumps), while re-released w/video not too long ago, is apparently, acccording to one of my friends, about 2 years old or so (?). Alas, it's one of my favourite singles this year. We rockin' stilletos HO
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 01:52:48 AM by PlatypusQuest:
 Personally, I loathe "Diamonds from Sierra Leone." It's one of my least favorite singles of the year, catapulted to such status from it's holier-than-thou, unbelievably pretentious music video that seems so (superficially) absorbed in a political issue if only to make itself seem more important than it really is. The song is merely bad, but the video is downright despicable, and the combination of the two makes for one truly awful experience. On the other hand, I don't have any problems with "Gold Digger" though. It's a great track: I might have even placed it higher.
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 02:26:14 AM by bj_randolph:
 GavinM-- don't cry over "You Don't Know Me"; "Bring 'em Out"'s gotta be a shoe-in for the top 10. Am I the only one who likes "Behind These Hazel Eyes" better than "Since U..."? Or the only one who cares?
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 05:34:55 AM by tomk87:
 oh, the humanity!
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 05:54:55 AM by vsvsvs:
 Oh my, what a laughable Top 10. And hey, you could of at least found a picture of Amerie with her nice new nose.
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 06:35:15 AM by TheBrad:
 bj:

Yes. Definitely better.
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 07:33:35 AM by KlausFraktal:
 Ted Leo's version was better.
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 07:35:06 AM by TheBrad:
 Billy Bragg's version of Ted Leo's career is tops.
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 07:41:59 AM by mikepowell:
 Brad's version of humor is pretty good, too.
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 08:07:34 AM by tintin1000:
 i hate this list. but before i get into a rant, i shall tell you all the "rules" which i relied upon to come to the conclusion that this list is a pile of steaming bullshit. (a) this is a snobby list (b) i understand that this is a list of singles, so it cannot include bands like deerhoof or anything because they don't HAVE singles, but ... (c) this is a lame attempt at justifying why you guys like top 40 chart songs ... a shoddly constructed "logical" justification of listening to top 40 songs, with the "indie mag," stylus, as a sort of buffer ... "oh -- we're really into indie music, so that means we can accept pop music from an "elevated" plane of existence or some bullshit like that. okay -- who the hell thinks that the friggin' backstreet boys write "better" songs than the mountain goats?! than the futureheads!? uh ... and sure -- the concept of r. kelly's trapt in the closet is cool, i think, but how in the hell do you distinguish which gwen stefani single is the "best" on the album? is it the originality of the song? nope? is it in the creativity? nope. is it the craftmanship? nope. is it the songwriting? nope. as far as i can tell, you guys compiled a list that should be dubbed "best singles that will get you crunked in 2005," but since you worded everything so perfectly, it sounds like there is an actual intellectual, logical reason behind the creation of the fucking whisper song. the whisper song is about fucking. since when has fucking merited any artistic credibilty? just plain, raw, primitive sex? if you guys like to dance to this shit, cool ... but don't be dumbasses and pretend that you listen to this shit because you actually think it actually has a true artistic quality to it ... damn.
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 08:17:22 AM by NickSouthall:
 The precise problem with "indie" "fans" is that they think there are rules when there are not. The ONLY rule in this list was that what people voted for had to be a single released between december 1st 2004 and december 1st 2005. A future Soulseeking column will address the first issue more readily after Chistmas.
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 08:18:32 AM by M_Annoyman:
 Do you think it's possible that you've not quite got a full grasp of music, words or life?
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 08:19:06 AM by M_Annoyman:
 Not directed to Sarfall, obv.
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 08:21:25 AM by pagan_poet:
 Who are you to decide what has artistic quality and what doesn't? Really - do some of you people realise how stupidly you're carrying on. Meanwhile - Deerhoof? ***snigger***
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 08:25:19 AM by NickSouthall:
 Also, and I know John Darnielle reasonably well in an "exchange emails occasionally way" and I don't think he'd disagree for a second, I think it's fair to say that The Mountain Goats (AMONGST OTHER "INDIE" "BANDS") have written their fair share of songs about fucking.
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 08:25:39 AM by eldarko:
 Tintin, you really should calm down, let off some steam. It's only a stupid list - don't take it too seriously. It's meant to be fun. Whether you agree with the choices or not, it doesn't matter. Everybody has their own choices. Me? I loved the list - thought it was nice and eclectic and, most usefully, I was able to go off and check out some of the stuff that I'd never heard. It's been a good week - I've heard Imogen Heap, Mountain Goats, Wolf Parade and Sway in the last few days. That's as good a recommendation for this list as I could ever give...
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 08:26:37 AM by NickSouthall:
 I mean, tintin1000, do you like Led Zep? Cos lots of people think they're quite good but since when have songs about shagging and goblins and shagging goblins had any artistic merit?
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 08:28:36 AM by whiteboysushi:
 Now that the final list is revealed, a few thoughts: 1. Matt Sheardown knows the score. I can't believe none of you other homps liked "Apply Some Pressure" enough to vote for it. 2. If I go back in time and kill Kelly Clarkson so that I don't have to spend the last 6 months hearing every one of her awful singles played 10 times a day, does Three Six Mafia inherit the top spot? 3. I agree with whoever it was that said that "So Here We Are" was one of the weakest Bloc Party tracks. I don't even like it on the album, let alone as a single.
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 08:40:02 AM by pagan_poet:
 How can anybody review Rachel's Negotiate With Love and not mention the "could you turn down the track a little bit please" aside? That's the ace-ist moment in pop this year. That single was second only to Melody Club's amazing Wildhearts for me this year. Meanwhile - Girls Aloud's Biology should have been much, much higher!
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 08:47:17 AM by Batgirl:
 No Ashlee?
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 08:51:10 AM by NickSouthall:
 Hey Batgirl, I like the cut of your gib. Email me, baby.
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 09:00:23 AM by NastyNasir:
 as usual, a gay top 50 from a gay website. also, why are you loser writers second guessing yourselves in the intro, almost as if you acknowledge your lameness and are using eminem tactics to deflect the accurate criticism bound to come your way. there is not a single writer on this joke website to redeem it, seriously, all you hip, cool, trendy, in crowd or whatever expert idiots should be proud of yourselves and another vanity snoozefest project. look at all those black artists. gee, U all are so down, just like the way I used 'U' as 'YOU', get it, whatever.And so credible. and kelly clarkson, as number one, genius, how did you think that up, i never saw it coming. sounpredictable and eccentric and eclectic you all are. now i remeber why i visit this website once every 3 years. anyway, i'm out of losers inc for now, see you after Hilary gets in the white house. laterz.
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 09:01:21 AM by TheBrad:
 Nasir's here! Now it's an S Club Party!
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 09:03:17 AM by edwardo:
 Hey pagan_poet, I like the cut of your gib. Email me, baby. (haha)
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 09:10:13 AM by pagan_poet:
 Edwardo - if only I hadn't clicked that Goldfrapp review. :-( (ha ha!)
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 09:11:44 AM by edwardo:
 Tease. But y'all know I'm right.
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 09:16:23 AM by NastyNasir:
 PS. Josh Love (What a stupid nickname) wrote the most pathetic write up for a song ever for Kelly Clarkson. How many people did you turn off this ong before they even have a chance to hear it with this puff piece. Seriously, when you get a life and wuit this gig,you could write for a high school paper or anonymous blog. Is this what lazy white kids are contributing to America today? I think I prefered you when you where feeling sorry for yourselves and shooting up high schools. I would think with all that time on your hands from smoking and eating your parents money away you could at least work on your lack of talent. "The brilliance of “Since U Been Gone” revealed itself the 37th time I heard it, not the first. The damn thing’s not remarkable so much as indelible, the hook no less exhilarating now than it was over a year ago " How long did it take you to write that bland piece of crap? You probably think yourself a special writing talent, but I actually hate this song now that I read what you wrote. I just despise everything about you guys, dont ask me to rationalise it, I just do, the same way I know I hate hitler and fat girls.
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 09:16:49 AM by pagan_poet:
 I think NastyNasir is mightily pissed that Kylie's horribly underrated Giving You Up has been totally overlooked - again.
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 09:22:08 AM by dipdip:
 Why is cricitism on these comment forums always redirected 'n' bashed? Rules? What about that rule that anything Stylus says has to be accepted without question - that's of more concern. If it IS just a stupid list, why are there write ups that go on for pages of pompous text? This "list" is an exhaustive attempt at justification. With no merit.
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 09:26:24 AM by pagan_poet:
 Aren't all reviews an attempt at justification?
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 09:27:27 AM by TheBrad:
 What, is it 2008 already?

Also: 50 small-to-medium paragraphs do equal "pages," but only if laid lengthways. But please, bash away. Bash back. Here's one: I'm the only asshole who actually thought "Laffy Taffy" was one of the 20 best singles of the year. Your turn! Songs without words are called "pieces," words without song are called "slam poetry"! Go!
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 09:28:44 AM by j_cunningham:
 I mostly just voted for the songs I'd played most often in 2005. :-)
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 09:28:55 AM by diddywah:
 I'm probably the 130th person to mention this but: A: SUBG sucks balls B: Where's Pow? C: 1 Thing should be no.1 D: No Doves or Maximo Park? Not cool enough for you? Twats. E: Where's pendulum's Slam? F: if Kano had released "Reload it", it would have wiped the floor with 90% of this list The rest is pretty good. Though most of your track descriptions make me want to send you to work down a mine.
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 09:33:34 AM by cameron1979:
 Nasty: I'd love to see your record reviews. Where can I find them? Judging by your authoritative, God-given assessment of homosexuality and caucasian laziness, you must be a pro.
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 09:35:44 AM by mikepowell:
 dipdip - I think we really welcome comments & criticism, but in hopes of things turning into a debate rather than a flurry of insults. When users like NastyNasir spout things like "this is a gay top 50 from a gay website" and talks about just despising us without rationale, it leaves very little room for us to actually *discuss* anything. I think I can speak for the whole staff when I say that we'd be more interested in actually TALKING about this stuff than feeling like we have to defend ourselves from the torrent of "Why didn't X make the list, fuckers" or "you think you're SOOOO above everything, you don't know anything about music." I mean, seriously; put yourself in our position for just a second - we care about what we do, and it can feel like a big let down when our whole year of listening to singles and compiling them ends up in lively, productive banter to the effect of "this list is a steaming pile of bullshit." Get a grip, people, and just have a conversation about music with us, I think you'll find that it would turn out pretty nicely...
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 09:40:45 AM by ddrake:
 "Where's Pow?" In 2004 where it belongs.
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 09:41:08 AM by NickSouthall:
 A large proportion of the staff at Stylus are American - hence no Doves, Maximo Park or Pendulum, for a start, because they have no profile in America. Or outside of any British university campus actually.
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 09:41:12 AM by J_R_K_:
 i'm not as spastically po'ed as tin tin seems to be, but i i'm sad to see there aren't more rock songs. i guess mr brightside is an excellent choice, but the fault probably lies more with the sad state of rock music than stylus.
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 09:45:28 AM by mikepowell:
 J_R_K, rock is definitely in a bad way; still, I think there are 3, potentially 4 "rock" songs in the top 10, if you count the Clarkson (which I would). Killers, My Chemical Romance, & Futureheads.
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 09:48:05 AM by pagan_poet:
 I'm tempted to launch a rant about how half those "rock" songs don't deserve to be in the top 50 let alone 10 ... but knowing I can't top some of the bile that's already been posted I'm just gonna bit my tongue. ;-)
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 09:49:57 AM by TheRookie:
 Whoa whoa WHOA! Despite the fact that i still hear the song to this day I could wear to GOD that Mr. Brightside was a 2004 single, released sometime in the early fall of that year. Correct me if I'm wrong on this. Anyways nice top ten other then MCR but eh, different strokes for different folks and it does fall under my criteria of "i can see why people like it."
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 09:51:05 AM by whiteboysushi:
 reading through the individual lists, it suddenly strikes me that Peter Parrish is a comic genius.
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 10:01:24 AM by boilingboy:
 See? Just as I said yesterday....no explanation from the writers. Until the next "Top" list, then.
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 10:07:54 AM by boilingboy:
 Oh, and....any objections to the writers' Top 40 fetish is greeted with a knee-jerk "indie purist" comment. Misdirection, indeed.
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 10:10:24 AM by NastyNasir:
 Is It Me, or did MikePowell just have an Oprah moment. Got a bit too touchy/feely for my likeing. This stupid website isn't worth crying about. And yes, whichever idiot( i can't be bothered checking his name) said "nastyNasirs comments lave no room for debate" or whatever is absolutely right. There is no debate that this operatiion you got going here is gay, gayer even than Will & Grace or Brokback Mountain. The Brad or The Bard, is that named after The Invincibles? A lot of originality on here.
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 10:20:17 AM by NickSouthall:
 NastyNasir is blatantly a troll looking for a rise, and so should really be ignored by people who know better.

Boilingboy, preciely what are you looking for an explantion for, because I don't understand? This list, as it is every year, is compiled from individual lists detailing each writer's favourite singles of the year - what is there to not understand?
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 10:29:51 AM by TheBrad:
 Now it's 2011, baby.
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 10:32:59 AM by NastyNasir:
 Just in case you were under the impression this wasnt a pompous, pretentious "music lover" site, along come self indulgent, take himself too seriously, Nick Southall to confirm what all clear minded people already know, lazy white College dropouts looks to music "discussion" as a way out of total worthlessness. What, is my opinion not important? That is very arrogant of you. This is why regular folks despise elitists who run hipster sites like this. Ok, I'll tell you why I do not like you guys. First of all, where is the black talent. I brought this up last time I was here. Stop gatekeeping "black" music and critiqing it if you are not going to open your arms to black writers. 2nd, black artists that make your lists are always tokenism. If 19 black artists release 10 great songs a year, and 1 cracka releases 1 great song that same year, the cracka will top your list. Is tokenism. Like when people go on and on about how great Richard Pryor is, then put heroin head Bill Hikcs as the best comedian of the blah blah blah. B;acks are treated as tokenisn. The year tha we have all these great black songs, Kelly Clarkson. KELLY FUCKING CLARKSON IS THE BEST SONG OF THE YEAR. That is just 1% of the rason this website is gay. There are 79 other reasons. This site is racist. It is frat boy owned and run, its a closed club and I dont like that.
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 10:38:30 AM by AlfredSoto:
 I'll meet you on Brokeback Mountain, Nasir.
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 10:44:16 AM by roadrunner:
 WHO??!! MIKE JONES!! MY ALBUM!!! MIKE JONES!! WHO?!??! MIKE JONES!!!! MY ALBUM!! MIKE JONES!!!! WHO??!! MIKE JONES!! MY ALBUM!!! MIKE JONES!! WHO?!??! MIKE JONES!!!! MY ALBUM!! MIKE JONES!!!! WHO??!! MIKE JONES!! MY ALBUM!!! MIKE JONES!! WHO?!??! MIKE JONES!!!! MY ALBUM!! MIKE JONES!!!! musik is apparently not good anymore. sumthing is weird here...i don't get it. stylus, are you under new management? stylus, are you under alien management? stylus, are you a musik magazine anymore? no, no, and no.
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 10:47:24 AM by Spanky:
 Personally, I hate anything and anyone that doesn't like exactly the same things as me. PS where's the gay list I keep hearing about? Hopefully Robbie isn't on it; he's a bit touchy about that. I found this list thanks to a link on the Klan homepage.
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 10:51:02 AM by arrrvee:
 hooray for #1(jesus...)!
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 10:52:29 AM by NickSouthall:
 20 of the 50 singles are by or feature "black" artists; if that's tokenism I'd hate to see what you thought total discrimination was. Stylus has white writers, gay writers, female writers, Jewish writers, Canadian writers, British writers, Christian writers and black writers. Admittedly there are not many black writers here at the moment but if they don't apply when we advertise then there's not a lot we can do about that. We certainly don't judge applications based on skin colour or religion or sexuality or anything else apart from what we think a person can bring to the site's content. If you want to help rectify this, NastyNasir, apply to write with us, and if you're good, we'll take you on. You know, stop bitching and be proactive?

As for college dropouts and fratboys, as an Englishman with a degree in popular culture and philosophy who now works at a university, I have no idea what you even mean by that. Look at the other comments, from tintin1000 or roadrunner - "stylus covers too much rap", "stylus covers too much pop", "stylus covers too much... something" - you're arguing in the opposite direction to them, so which is it? Is Stylus neglecting black music, or neglecting independant rock, or neglecting everything? We're a conglomerate of writers with different loves and different opinions and different backgrounds - we are never, ever going to be able to fully satisfy everyone, or even anyone, because that's impossible.
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 10:57:43 AM by mikepowell:
 Stylusmagazine.com - "Neglecting Everything Since 2001." I like that. Anyway, I'm shocked that nobody's bothered to comment on DJ Paul's dense rolls of back fat. So imposing.
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 11:04:47 AM by wmdavidson:
 Lots of good stuff on this list. I'll just leave #1 alone. I am sorry to not see any Maximo Park though.
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 11:08:02 AM by toka7979:
 Now, I understand this list is based on USA world hegemony, hence it's grand to see someone like Robyn sneaking in. I just wondered, from a Scandinavian perspective, whether songs had to be on the Billboard to be taken into account? Cos I remember rather vividly seeing both New Pornographers and Go-Betweens singles released up here this year. Were they not released over there?
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 11:11:54 AM by NastyNasir:
 This is my last post for the day, then I'm out. First of, this comment: "Stylus has white writers, gay writers, female writers, Jewish writers, Canadian writers, British writers, Christian writers and black writers." If you analyze that closely, that means Stylus has 100 white writers and 1 mixed race writer. You've used a lot of fancy wording to say what I have basically just outlined. Obviously, as a black, I have a chip on my shoulder, which is why I am vocal about all this. 2nd, I have applied countless times for a post on here, yet have been overlooked so many times. There are cas on hee about 15 yrs old and slow mentaly who have by passed me, so I know the deal on this site. 3rdly, why did you admit to going all the way to College to study Pop Culture. Couldn't you just stay at home and watch TV? How much of your parents money will you waste on that little excercise. Anyway, peace, it was fun, no hard feelings, I just lost it for a minute, you know how us backs are, alwyas complaining and what not. Later.
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 11:15:42 AM by gM.Ed.:
 Grass was so hot it's #00. ya'll need to calm down
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 11:16:20 AM by DomPassantino:
 Maximo Park aren't on the list because they write indie-sex songs like virgin Buffy fanfic writers write slash fiction, with very little knowledge of what teh sex actually involves. Plus the lead singer has the worst combover since Bobby Charlton was pwning Benfica in the late 60s.
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 11:16:49 AM by NickSouthall:
 I can only assume we didn't hire you, NastyNasir, because you're rubbish.
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 11:16:58 AM by whiteboysushi:
 "DJ Paul's dense rolls of back fat. So imposing." Must be all those drinks he don' drunk up ;)
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 11:17:05 AM by wmurch3:
 I don't get it. Indie music is finally getting some much deserved popularity and suddenly rock music is in a "sad state". Rock music is in the same state it's been for the past 5 years. Sheesh....
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 11:19:00 AM by whiteboysushi:
 Reason #37 why Dom is totally awesome: even when I completely disagree with him, he makes me laugh rather than bang my head into my desk. This by itself puts him in the 95th percentile of internet users.
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 11:23:12 AM by :
 The Hounds of Love cover is great and all, but did I just read someone trying to say it was as good or better than the original? Because it so isn't.
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 11:24:47 AM by j_cunningham:
 Just a clarification (since tintin reminded me): Stylus is not, nor has ever been, an "indie site."
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 11:29:58 AM by cuneyt81:
 I can accept all the American Idol stuff, but My Chemical fucking romance? They are, hands down, the most godawful band ever. I mean, if you're going to include this garbage, why not Fall Out Boy? Why not Simple plan? You had me going for a while, but this is just embarrassing.
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 11:31:24 AM by wmdavidson:
 I must concur with whiteboy that even though I love the band, Dom's dis on Maximo was totally awesome.
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 11:33:06 AM by :
 P.S. haha Spanky
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 11:33:17 AM by natakulata:
 It's certainly hard enough for me to choose twenty songs out of the hundreds I've liked this year...and certainly even harder for me to rank them. While I don't really like how the list turned out this year, I think the writers deserve a little credit for the time, energy, and effort they put into to this list every year. I use/read stylus as a point of reference, not gospel. Maybe others should try thinking about it that way too.
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 11:40:59 AM by prentice:
 People are adorable when they get all frothy about music lists—calm yourselves before you curdle! No. 4 is why I love you Stylus, oh ho, yes it is; now I can have some hope for her on the albums front. I was a bit disappointed by the lack of ‘Sugar (Gimme Some)’. And, after ‘The Fallen’, a feast of excellency, ‘Do You Want To’ was a bit like a colonic—a nice medicated colonic, but nonetheless.
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 11:44:38 AM by mbarthel:
 WHERE THE FUCK WAS SIGUR ROS YOU FUCKS
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 11:45:48 AM by NickSouthall:
 IN A CHURCH MAKING SHOEGAZE YOU FUCKS.
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 11:46:50 AM by mbarthel:
 BUT NICK THERE ARE NO ENGLISH GAY PEOPLE HERE THAT IS WHY THEY ARE NOT ON THIS LIST
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 11:48:01 AM by NickSouthall:
 OK YOU GOT ME ON "ENGLISH".
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 11:51:06 AM by darinfic:
 i have no problem with the list, however i'm a little surprised natasha bedingfield didn't make the cut. was it close? did she fall to 51? stylus is biased against dancing cartoon boomboxes!!!!!
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 12:01:43 PM by Spanky:
 I would bet 50 guineas and a horse on Nasty Nasir being caucasian.
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 12:10:39 PM by whiteboysushi:
 I'll see your 50 guineas and raise you 200 copies of Paul Simon's "Graceland" (which, as a self-righteous white liberal, is an album near and dear to my heart).
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 12:10:53 PM by mbarthel:
 I went to camp with a guy named Nasir and we called him Nosehair.
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 12:13:17 PM by cwperry:
 I only know 3 of these songs. I think I'm the only one left in America who's never heard "Hollaback Girl" or "Gold Digger."
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 12:19:34 PM by whiteboysushi:
 oh man... I'm really hungry, but I don't want to step out and miss my shot at comment #200
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 12:30:46 PM by diddywah:
 "A large proportion of the staff at Stylus are American - hence no Doves, Maximo Park or Pendulum, for a start, because they have no profile in America. Or outside of any British university campus actually." OOOOHH, and you're not a univeristy-educated 20 somethign are you? Prick.
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 01:36:36 PM by srkenney:
 Okay, I'm an asshole, but even I know not to pay any attention to NastyNasir. That guy needs some sensitivity counselling/sterilistation/euthanasia. Whatever's cheaper.
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 01:40:29 PM by srkenney:
 Oh, and SO looking forward to the albums list. Is that going to be next week, or later in the year? If it's not too late, and you guys haven't put togther your lists yet, please let me BEG enough of you to vote for Tom mcRae that my obsession with him is at least justifiable.
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 01:47:56 PM by keyinblack:
 Weak year.
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 01:49:19 PM by ckramer:
 i don't know what's cool about "market research and focus groups". I understand stylus has some aim to appreciate the fun and shallow music in the same manner as the ambitious, and that stylus would probably argue that the clarkson single isn't just fun and shallow. while i think that pop music can be touching and i do like "since u been gone" i don't understand why what you say you appreciate about the song is its transparent commercial intent. The fact that song is pretentious and not geniune is why you like it? am i getting it right? is that enough for it to be single of the year. I disagree. hmmm... what happened to the singles of the year that were truly great and touching AND FUN and if you argue that clarkson is touching and truly great how do you work through the money making mechanicism of the song to get there?
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 02:46:17 PM by snowface:
 almost 200!! we can make it!!! I love the sarcastic criticisms, of other peoples' criticisms of critics. keep it up guys. I mean, it's the internet, i thought we could say whatever we wanted.
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 03:01:03 PM by DomPassantino:
 We all get doughnuts at 200 comments!
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 03:25:12 PM by Aaronk:
 four tet - smile around the face! ivy - thinking about you pernice brothers - there goes the sun national - lit up russian futurists - paul simon morningwood - nth degree! ladytron - destroy everything you touch! the mfa - what difference... the pony's - another wound magnetophone
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 03:27:17 PM by wmdavidson:
 Oasis - Lyla. Ha.
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 03:27:25 PM by mikepowell:
 DJ PAUL IS A DOG, ONE YOU DO NOT TRUST (Finally, doughnuts).
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 03:27:54 PM by mikepowell:
 Oh wow, somebody beat me; that's the best 200th comment I think we could've hoped for.
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 03:52:41 PM by Zarklephaser:
 LOL @ MY CHEMICAL ROMANCE AT #8
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 03:57:28 PM by whiteboysushi:
 awwwwww cinnamon. I got bored waiting and wandered off.
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 04:00:15 PM by whiteboysushi:
 PS "Stay Fly" deserves the top spot just because "You leave yo _____ around me..." has been thoroughly absorbed into my daily lexicon.
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 04:06:50 PM by KlausFraktal:
 Hi honey, for our fifth anniversary, I've decided to take you to McDonald's. What? You don't want to? Why? Don't you know that taste is all subjective? If you'd just relax, maybe you'd realize that mass-produced mounds of deep-friend lard are really just as good as anything you can get at one those snobby, elitist "our food is art blah blah" restaurants. Just in a different way. No, it doesn't matter if one was made by an educated chef who has spent his life and toiled for hours to master his craft and create something truly unique. Why would he even do that? A greasy 14 year-old with a frozen beef patty, a microwave, and a glue gun full of thousand islands dressing can make something just as enjoyable... except better, you know, because you can just stuff it in your mouth, you don't have to go through all that lame trouble of cutting things with a knife or, worst of all, waiting for them to cook it. I hate that. Someone has to take a stand for utilitarian satisfaction! I'm doing that now. Besides, populism is cool, right? The masses know what's fun. They keep it real. Like invading oil-rich Arab countries, tax cuts, and homophobia! Fun! Not like that crap with pretentious French names like filet mignon. I mean, really, can't we just call it b33f st8k 4 u. Taking food seriously is like so 1997. Hey, where are you going? Pffft, elitist bitch.
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 04:11:47 PM by DomPassantino:
 lol Bill Hicks is dead, amirite?
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 04:14:24 PM by whiteboysushi:
 wait, shit, really?
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 04:14:52 PM by mikepowell:
 Klaus, except that nobody gets morbidly obese listening to Rachel Stevens, and I *guarantee* you that Wolf Parade spent about half the time in the studio than Snoop, JTL, and Charlie Wilson did. Plus, Snoop can cook. And coach junior league football.
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 04:16:43 PM by whiteboysushi:
 COUNTERPOINT: I guarantee that the chef at the expensive restaurant spent less time selecting the ingredients for his entrees than McDonald's executives.
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 04:33:56 PM by KlausFraktal:
 Food at an expensive restaurant is just as likely to make you obese as food at a fast food restaurant. That's irrelevant. The distinction is the degree of craft, creativity, and, dare I say it, soul that went into the product. Going to McDonald's might be a great place for a quick fix, but when judging things based on quality, I don't consider utilitarian immediacy and expendibility to be pros. Populist posturing aside, you are art critics, and I do think you should be awarding things like craft and originality over the simple virtue of being lucky enough to have a record company exec point you out in a mall and choose you to be the next quick fix for junk radio. And if want to talk about actual societal ills, then I'll be happy to go into all the misogyny, racism, homophobia, and violence promoted by several of the 'artists' on your list. P.S. Snoop Dogg also spent a lot more time filming porn and raping women than the members of Wolf Prade (Isaac Brock excluded, of course). But hey, you know, as long as you don't have to make an emotional connection with the art, who cares what human cess pool it was spawned from.
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 04:43:25 PM by wmdavidson:
 Klaus, I don't disagree with your general point, but some of your supporting arguments are pretty questionable. The Rolling Stones are human cesspools. The Beatles in their time were considered junk radio for undiscerning kids.
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 04:52:54 PM by DomPassantino:
 "Snoop Dogg also spent a lot more time filming porn and raping women than the members of Wolf Prade (Isaac Brock excluded, of course)." You just won the comments box!
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 04:58:36 PM by darinfic:
 and still, no one is speaking up for the dancing, cartoon boomboxes!
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 05:38:01 PM by j_cunningham:
 I totally agree with Klaus about valuing craft. Which is why I voted for "Since U Been Gone," the most perfectly constructed song of the year.
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 06:05:45 PM by pabanks46:
 More like LOL @ Josh having Kelly Osbourne @ #2. Must be the worst year in music... ever.
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 06:06:06 PM by mikepowell:
 Klaus, while I see what you're getting at, the "good food" metaphor is so deeply flawed it's almost irrelevant; plenty of people eat at McDonald's because it's quick, plenty more eat there because if they're not dining in, they can't really afford to have nice dinners. Kinda terrible, I agree, but with pop music, one product feeds millions at the same price; I can go buy the new Animal Collective/Deerhoof/Mountain Goats record for the same price as the Madonna/Kelly Clarkson/whatever's getting you so incensed. Furthermore, I still really feel like the "this takes time" argument has any weight whatsoever. There are as many lazy indie bands as there are lazy pop acts, and none of them are doing anyone any good. Also, while I don't love "Since U Been Gone" as much as the other staffers, I *can* sort of understand why people appreciate it, and a lot of it has to do precisely, as John said, with craft.
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 06:08:09 PM by mikepowell:
 Wow pabanks, you really haven't forgiven Josh for that Kelly O. thing. At least you're persistent!
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 06:09:08 PM by dipdip:
 Klaus is genius dip! Stylus doesn't know genius from madman lamb!
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 06:27:49 PM by pabanks46:
 You're very diplomatic, Mike. Most people call it obsessed and ban & ignore. Thank God for public threads! heh Anyhow, it's not that big a deal. Seasons Greetings Josh, Mike & Stylus staff.
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 06:28:56 PM by DomPassantino:
 Merry Xmas one and all! This thread will end with Todd Burns bringing a big turkey in for all of us.
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 06:38:37 PM by JoeMacare:
 Ay! Did Kelly Clarkson really invade Iraq? OH NOES!
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 06:55:35 PM by NickSouthall:
 Is that Klaus dude soaked in crystal meth? He just compared a song with a burger, amirite? wtf?
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 06:56:17 PM by NickSouthall:
 Mind you Gilles Deleuze compared God to a lobster so what the fuck do I know.
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 07:55:19 PM by qwerty:
 Ouch! a lot of bile on here, have you people been reading the jukeboxes throughout the year? What were you expecting? one thing that got my goat was this though "A large proportion of the staff at Stylus are American - hence no Doves, Maximo Park or Pendulum, for a start, because they have no profile in America. Or outside of any British university campus actually." Don't really think it was just students that bought Doves two number one albums.
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 09:45:04 PM by TheBrad:
 If we were voting on videos, the dancing stereos would've had their due. Happy?

Normally Klaus is the (welcome) obtuse set-up man, so I don't mind his burst of focus here. But we've obviously made our peace with Duchamp, and we're going less with what was put in (who can honestly quantify this, and hasn't the indie aesthetic been founded already? Not that, say, Spoon is coasting, but no one in the verse-chorus-verse world is really pulling gold out of thin air, here) than what we get out, and that's much more easily done anyway. Really, once the album list comes out, this may make more sense. Balance and all that.
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 10:00:13 PM by portnoy:
 #40 should have been #1 #1 should have been #2 #5 should have been #3 and "These Words" should have made some sort of an appearance on there somewhere, anti-Bedingfield sentiment be damned but really, this is a very good list. the conceit that most of its detractors are relying on - that popular indie rock records like those of wolf parade are by their nature great works of art while anthemic pop hits that people will be listening to 30 years from now are mindless fluff - is of course empty.
 
Posted 12/09/2005 - 10:47:09 PM by Klenches:
 Spare a thought for the deserving singles that didn't get a single vote: Okkervil River - For Real; The Cardigans - I Need Some Fine, And You, You Need To Be Nicer; Charlotte Church - Crazy Chick; K-os - Man I Used To Be; Kano - Typical Me; The Bees - Chicken Payback; The Game - Dreams; Antony & the Johnsons - For Today I Am A Boy; Supersystem - Born Into The World; Shakira - Don't Bother AND Lee Ryan - Army of Lovers. Also, props to Lex for being the only Gasolina-lover. And is Swygart still doing his own list of top UK singles? Eagerly awaiting it.
 
Posted 12/10/2005 - 01:41:56 AM by mattmc387:
 I'll second Supersystem's "Born Into The World"--best single of the year.
 
Posted 12/10/2005 - 02:34:45 AM by chessy:
 i think i may be in the minority but i really enjoyed this list. i love singles, and lists. and i hate message board fighting.
 
Posted 12/10/2005 - 02:35:46 AM by chessy:
 especially the new helen love
 
Posted 12/10/2005 - 10:29:32 AM by BreeVanDeKamp:
 The list is shit, but as long as there is no Maximo Park or Art Brut, it's fine.
 
Posted 12/10/2005 - 02:15:19 PM by iainrf:
 I agree with all of the These Words love, maybe the fact that it was released in the middle of 2004 in the UK counted against it? That didn't stop Mr. Brightside though I suppose.
 
Posted 12/10/2005 - 06:33:32 PM by bjornw:
 you've got one of my top 10 singles on the list. i guess that's better than zero. here goes: 10. GET SET - Kano and Low Deep 9. SOME INDULGENCE - The Embassy 8. LIGHTA SPUBA - DJ Koze 7. ROUTINE CHECK - The Mitchell Brothers 6. STAY FLY - Three 6 Mafia 5. HUMAN AFTER ALL - Daft Punk 4. I BUILT THIS CITY - Baxendale 3. OUR HOUSE - International Pony 2. LA RITOUELLE - Sébastien Tellier 1. OH, YOU AND I - Unai
 
Posted 12/11/2005 - 03:36:45 PM by citycalmdown:
 Ryan Potts' list is best.
 
Posted 12/11/2005 - 04:23:43 PM by JohnCameron:
 Apparently mine went in too late. Anyways, to Mike Powell: "I *guarantee* you that Wolf Parade spent about half the time in the studio than Snoop, JTL, and Charlie Wilson did."

Too bad, then, that as great a single as "Signs" is it's nowhere near as compelling as any of the songs off of ATTQM.
 
Posted 12/11/2005 - 05:40:41 PM by WillSimmons:
 bjornw, good lookin' on the Unai and Sebastien Tellier. You're a baller.
 
Posted 12/11/2005 - 07:29:16 PM by adentice:
 Great list - but where's Beating Heart Baby - that's one of the juiciest Big Macs I've had the pleasure of hearing (eating?...with my ears?) this year. Metaphors - love 'em.
 
Posted 12/16/2005 - 04:32:44 PM by marc.vansluys:
 was "I'll Believe In Aything" by Wolf Parade a single? cause if it was it should be in there. FUCK
 
Posted 12/26/2005 - 02:33:10 PM by jonblack:
 DUDE backstreet boys and the killers in the top 50 u gotta be kiding me and to say that sonic youth(sonic nurse) didn't even make it in last year's list shows us that this magazine is turning to the dark side(the bullshitty hipster pitchf***fork-like zine).
 
Posted 12/31/2005 - 09:32:44 AM by KillingZoe:
 Normally I would think commenting on a best of list to be a complete waste of time, but in this case, since there is article about "indie kids"( Soulseeking: The (indie) Kids Are(n’t) Alright.) flaming such lists. I thought I would explain why some indie fans feel the need to get so emotional over such list. Myself, I'm 36, I have gotten used to the fact that crappy music will always get more recognition and be more celebrated than what I like, I've simply gotten over it, otherwise I'd be pissed of all the time. When I was young, I remember listening to Casey Kasem's top forty and getting pissed, I could not for the life of me understand why people would prefer to listen to the latest offense by REO Speedwagon over say REM or the Police, Joy Division, ect,ect. I still don't get it. But there is a reason why indie fans get emotional about this stuff. It has nothing to with sex or trying to be cool. Unlike indie music top 40 pop is unavoidable. We hate the music, but are forced to listen to it. You go to work the crap is on the radio, at the store it's playing, in restaurants, on TV, in the Movies, and from the dipshit kid that lives up stairs and won't turn down the crap, pop is forced on us everywhere. What are the chances of a pop fan going into Wal-Mart and being forced to listen to Animal Collective or Architecture In Helsinki, but the chances are pretty high that I'll have to hear We Built This City. So more than anything we would just like to see someone, semi-mainstream, agree with us that Gwen Stefani is annoying. Also I would like to add, glad to see Spoon and Animal Collective on the list. :)